Solved CTD in Falcon BMS 4.37.2. I don't know what else to try
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@Vanthergot please upload it to a googledrive or any other free cloud service where we can download it from.
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@Seifer, I put a link to the file:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CEYMu7oct9WYe5pOqZ5n2NuMtQMXKVnX?usp=sharing
@SemlerPDX, I already did the tests that you recommended, it did not find any problem during the processes. And the error persists. Always every 12 minutes on average the image freezes and goes to the desktop, but there are times when it takes a little more or a little less to manifest itself as a failure.
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@Vanthergot said in CTD in Falcon BMS 4.37.2. I don’t know what else to try:
Between fifteen and twenty minutes after the start of the flight the screen freezes and after a while it goes to the desktop.
Temperatures OK? Would probably cause systemwide bluescreen or blackscreen, not a software (BMS) crash… but you never know
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@Vanthergot thanks, I took a quick look. What is happening there is a wrong material handler (253 and there are only 109 available)in renderer code. This could be a wrong data configuration (unlikely, since no one else had this), a bad install or a HW fault.
I have done a quick sanity check here, my install has 109 configurations as well, so this does not look like a bad install issue.
Now, this question is really important, please answer carefully: do you have any kind of overclock on your PC? Including aggressive memory XMP?
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In response to your two suggestions, which I now see are very logical. Yeah. I went into the bios and lowered the micro voltages to a stable range. But that was a long time ago, when you bought the Computer. This is less relevant though.
But what could be related to the failure is that I installed MSIafterburner and undervolt the graphics card. It was outdated a long time ago and I haven’t updated the software again or checked the efficiency of the graphics card.
The graphics drivers are updated to the latest version.
I’m starting to see what could be the error!
Now I have to go to work. But when I get home I’ll do checks
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I have already tested the temperatures. And I would say that it is not due to overclock or at least apparently. The temperature at the time of CTD is 54º for the microprocessor, and 68º for the GPU. During the flight at no time were the fans activated. On the other hand, in DCS that I have no problems, the fans are activated but because it reaches 82º. This graph works at high temperature.
So unless it is what you say about the XMP RAM memory. I have installed cpuz and it gives me this result in RAM, according to the image I have XMP activated? I don’t know much about RAMInside the same folder where the CPUZ image is, I have also left other images of the nvidia control panel, with the graphics settings, in case it could be of help. I originally set it to get max fps on DCS. I put the link
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@Vanthergot any further recurrence? maybe try a “clean install” of the NVidia drivers, to undo any afterburner undervolting…
while I don’t think the following is your problem – it is worth mentioning – there have been at least 2 stability problems reported here, from people running fast DDR4-3600 ram on older cpu/mobo systems. (one of those people was me
normally this kind of problem prevents boot/post, or results in blackscreen/reboots… not an application crash. but I suppose anything’s possible.
even without XMP enabled, the stock “SPD” speed of your 3600 MHz RAM is considered above the line, for that generation AM4 cpu and chipset
I recommend manually turning it down, in the BIOS, to 3200MHz.
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Ok, slow down the Ram as you suggest. And I will perform a clean installation of the Nvidia drivers
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@Vanthergot said in CTD in Falcon BMS 4.37.2. I don’t know what else to try:
Ok, slow down the Ram as you suggest. And I will perform a clean installation of the Nvidia drivers
A suggestion is to use DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) to remove ALL remnants of your current video drivers and do a clean reinstall using NVCleanstall, just installing the video drivers and nothing else. No GeForce Experience, No telemetry, No PhysX, No sound drivers (unless you need them)… That will pretty much eliminate the drivers as an issue, but given all the changes you have made in an attempt to stave off upgrading it may not be the issue…
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@Vanthergot said in CTD in Falcon BMS 4.37.2. I don’t know what else to try:
But what could be related to the failure is that I installed MSIafterburner and undervolt the graphics card.
THIS. I am also doing that (undervolt) and you want to very careful.
Not any application (game) will work well.
So, I have 2-3 voltage (and W) profiles… if it crashes more then once, twice, then go to different profile, with less undervolt.Try for test. we’ll see.
(For overclock, overvolt cpu… I’m +1.5Ghz over stock, and ~+0.2-0.5V overvolt in cpu and … issss… smoooth )
As, cpu drains with power management an all is cool.So, in essence, you want stable overclock for cpu and stable undervolt for gpu.
Cheers
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I have a good news!!! The problem has been fixed.
@Icer and @white_fang, thank you, I have also followed your recommendations in case it was the partial or total cause of the problem.
I flew in two sessions, one for an hour and a half and the other for two hours. Without CTD!!. I am very happy about this.
I’m going to explain what I did in case it might help someone in the future, although I can’t be 100% sure it was just one thing in particular.
Before solving the problem, I went into BIOS and lowered the ram speed from 3600 to 3200 as you advised. Later I realized that the RAM voltage data was in yellow (1.350v), I lowered it to the standard value that indicated 1.2v and it was no longer marked in yellow.
Then I should have tried the simulator but I followed directly with your instructions.
I updated MSI Afterburner, I reversed any undervolting and I didn’t apply any overclock to the graphics card, at the moment I will apply what you tell me.
I uninstalled drivers cleanly. Also using the uninstall programs that you have told me about.In short, thanks to you I can fly in Falcon.
I also fly DCS. But despite being able to afford it for my pc, Falcon BMS continues to attract me perhaps even more than DCS and I don’t know why.Sorry my poor english and thank you all for helping me solve the problem with such devotion.
This wonderful community is a luxury that I’m not sure other sims have… -
@Vanthergot hooray! your english seems totally fine btw.
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@Vanthergot said in CTD in Falcon BMS 4.37.2. I don’t know what else to try:
Before solving the problem, I went into BIOS and lowered the ram speed from 3600 to 3200 as you advised. Later I realized that the RAM voltage data was in yellow (1.350v), I lowered it to the standard value that indicated 1.2v and it was no longer marked in yellow.
That’s all ok, (inside limits). , 1.2V without XMP profile, 1.350V with XMP profile … trade juice for speed - and bit more heat on ram sticks
Btw, you can now SLOWLY try to return to XMP proflle, RAM back to 3600, and ram voltage 1.350v -
actually … 0.4 GHz in ram is not big loss but… 99% people don’t have it so they are just jealous if you have it on
So, more bang for buck, IF it’s not a problem.I’m telling you, 99% , gpu undervolt was a culprit … it makes chain reaction of instability.
…yes there’ been some problems with XMP memory profiles in 1-2 cases … but is not a golden rule!! - this stuff was designed to work … just not everywhere is “implemented” properly -
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Ok @white_fang but I couldn’t disable XMP, in BIOS I didn’t find the option. So I’m assuming it’s still on.
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@Vanthergot oh, on AMD systems it goes by various other names… probably DOCP?
whitefang is almost certainly right, that it was your GPU failing under load/heat, causing the game to crash.
but… if I were you (and I basically am… running same RAM sticks, on an intel motherboard from the same year :)) I would prefer stability over 10% faster RAM bandwidth
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I understand, you mean, turning off XMP and going up to 3600Mhz?
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@Vanthergot according to the snippet from your motherboard manual (above) 3200 MHz is the max supportable – beyond that you’re in “overclock” territory… which is what they mean with the obscure “(O.C.)” designation
my advice: start safe (3200 MHz) and if that is stable for a few weeks… and IF you have very good cooling on your CPU (eg. a water block or high-end air cooler) then consider going up to 3600
memory speed does make a noticeable difference, in benchmarks and in-game. but it’s just a few percent… not worth risking system stability
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Also running a ROG STRIX AMD gaming MoBo - using RAM that was listed on the Memory QVL. It is super important to only choose RAM for your system which is listed on that QVL for your motherboard. The best performance when using with Ryzen processors is a 1:1 speed ratio between the “Infinity Fabric” and the RAM speed. In my case, that happens to be 3600MHz with my R9 3900X 12c/24t processor.
With D.O.C.P. enabled at the rated speed of this RAM set, 3600MHz at 16-19-19-39 timings, I do not need to increase voltage beyond 1.2V - in fact, I had issues when I “allowed” it to set itself to 1.35V, and only by lowering it to 1.2V did I achieve proper stability across all games or system use case scenarios.
YMMV of course, just tossing out my story for reference from another Ryzen user with a RAM OC, but best advice for RAM speed with Ryzen is to use tools such as Ryzen Master and Ryzen DRAM Calculator:
https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/ryzen-master
https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/download-ryzen-dram-calculator.html
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I understand, well I’ll leave it like that for now, I don’t think I need OC, at least for now. I can live with a few FPS if I gain more system stability.
Thanks for the information