Keyfile loading/saving is unintuitive (yes, i read the manual)
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@airtex2019 said in Keyfile loading/saving is unintuitive (yes, i read the manual):
See it’s confusing!
Wait, is this correct? I thought the “setup override” boolean decides whether the
Falcon BMS User.cfg
gets loaded atop theFalcon BMS.cfg
.If so, I guess I misunderstood some verbiage again.
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@jstnj It was worded backward. It’s like a double-negative… I think meant “if you launch without checking the box to launch without overrides” - vs - “if you launch with checking the box to launch without overrides”.
And no it has nothing to do with BMS loading the cfg files the way it does. BMS does what BMS does, even if you never run the Alt Launcher.
AL will append some stuff to your user.cfg file (the lines that are tagged with // SETUP OVERRIDE) when you first launch with overrides, but it never removes those, even if you subsequently set the checkbox…
Also be aware there are things like pilot-model and smart-scaling which are in the binary pop files, not the cfg files. Same rules apply.
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@airtex2019 said in Keyfile loading/saving is unintuitive (yes, i read the manual):
See it’s confusing!
Indeed (I never said it was not confusing )
My mistake, That’s the other way .If you launch with setup overide (without checking the checkbox) --> Only launcher settings will be used
If you launch without setup overide (with checking the checkbox)–> Only BMS 2D settings will be usedI definitly think the following is the starting point to understand all the rest.
Base statement with New (Alternate) Launcher :
Either you do your settings* with the Launcher** or in BMS settings***, but don’t try to mix both methods.
*includes axis mapping
**you can call it “New way to configure”
***you can call it “Legacy way to configure” -
As an example of the deepening confusion, here’s directions on how to install Morphine’s TM Warthog profile for 4.37. The installation instructions contradict many of the things that various people have said, so, not sure what to think haha!:
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24128/morphine-s-profile-for-4-37
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In short, the best way not to have problems with Alternate launcher is to do without it .
Yes, I know, I just put a piece in the trolling machine on this subject.
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@jstnj said in Keyfile loading/saving is unintuitive (yes, i read the manual):
As an example of the deepening confusion, here’s directions on how to install Morphine’s TM Warthog profile for 4.37. The installation instructions contradict many of the things that various people have said, so, not sure what to think haha!:
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24128/morphine-s-profile-for-4-37
It’s a long thread – what specifically? The initial instructions align with what we are saying – basically it shows you how to set the pinky-shift magnitude in cfg, and load the keyfile yourself, within BMS, and not use the Alt Launcher at all.
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@airtex2019 said in Keyfile loading/saving is unintuitive (yes, i read the manual):
@jstnj said in Keyfile loading/saving is unintuitive (yes, i read the manual):
As an example of the deepening confusion, here’s directions on how to install Morphine’s TM Warthog profile for 4.37. The installation instructions contradict many of the things that various people have said, so, not sure what to think haha!:
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24128/morphine-s-profile-for-4-37
It’s a long thread – what specifically? The initial instructions align with what we are saying – basically it shows you how to set the pinky-shift magnitude in cfg, and load the keyfile yourself, within BMS, and not use the Alt Launcher at all.
Yes, I guess its just assuming you are NOT using the Launcher. If you did (use the launcher), you might find yourself in a confusing spot where things arent working.
“Contradict” may have been an incorrect word. What I mean is, the Launcher is a bit confusing, the 2D keyfile mgmt is confusing, and the fact that there are multiple pathways to do them (but mixing them leads to terrible user experience), is collectively daunting.
As a 5+ year BMS user, I dont really have THAT much of a problem now that it was explained to me…but I’m just pointing out it could be a bit unintuitive and scary for new BMSers is all.
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@jstnj said in Keyfile loading/saving is unintuitive (yes, i read the manual):
As an example of the deepening confusion, here’s directions on how to install Morphine’s TM Warthog profile for 4.37. The installation instructions contradict many of the things that various people have said, so, not sure what to think haha!:
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24128/morphine-s-profile-for-4-37
This may be my last post on this topic … @jstnj, are you joking ?
Morphine’s explantations are EXCATLY of the kind of NOT using the launcher for settings. Everything is done manualy or through the BMS Setup, like we all did before Alternate Launcher was available.
So I phrase it differetly … the only thing you have to do : Do like you did before 4.37 and just check the box “launch without setup overide” before clicking “Launch”.
Highlitghing what was said before :
If you launch with setup overide (without checking the checkbox) --> Only launcher settings will be used
If you launch without setup overide (with checking the checkbox)–> Only BMS 2D settings will be usedBase statement with New (Alternate) Launcher :
Either you do your settings*
with the Launcher**or in BMS settings***, but don’t try to mix both methods.*includes axis mapping
**you can call it “New way to configure”
***you can call it “Legacy way to configure”EDIT : After rereading Morphine’s post, it is even worst to me, because he continues to use key emulation through target instead of directly using DX inputs.
I understand his point, like me he doesn’t want to go back to redoing his profile a “new way”, it is not a priority for him.He admit it himself :
Sooner or later, It would be easier to recreate this profile using DX keys. I’ve seen an interesting approach on the DCS boards that may allow us to take this profile beyond the 32 DX limit of target. Which would greatly simplify updates. https://forum.dcs.world/topic/144048-thrustmaster-combined-full-dx-mapping-extending-the-32-dx-buttons-limit/
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@jstnj said in Keyfile loading/saving is unintuitive (yes, i read the manual):
As a 5+ year BMS user, I dont really have THAT much of a problem now that it was explained to me…but I’m just pointing out it could be a bit unintuitive and scary for new BMSers is all.
New BMS users will use the AL and will not try to mess with BMS 2D Settings as we (as “old” players) are doing.
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In short, the best way not to have problems with Alternate launcher is to do without it .
Yes, I know, I just put a piece in the trolling machine on this subject.
@Rouge1512 That is your own point of view.
I personnaly know few people who are trully enthusiastic about the usage of the Alternate/New Launcher and will never go back the old way.
I don’t use AL for my own settings, not because the launcher doesn’t work, but because I am too laisy to redo all me settings the new way. I am postponing it as it is a lower priority for me. -
@CheckPoint as a pretty “old” BMS player, I embraced the AL back in 4.35 and haven’t looked back. You do a great job of pointing out a lot of the pros and cons here. My switch mostly grew of out the nightmare days of having whole handmade .keys nuked by having one of my many USB devices accidently unplugged back in say 4.32. There have been a few rare cases where I knew I might be able to do more with a .key manual edit than the AL, but I overall much prefer the GUI the Launcher provides, plus the easy theater switching and launcher for the other Falcon apps. These days with the over DX32 support as you point out that even Morphine says, I am moving even further away from keyboard commands which I now only really need for my DIY switch box and my Saitek Switch Panel.