New maps?
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@Icarus you mean this list
List of theaters released for BMS 4.37
Balkans
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/23867/
Baltic
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24765/
EMF
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24776/
EMFL - LorikEolmin’s EMF modification, original EMF theater required
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/19846/
Israel
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/23901/
Korea 2012 Megapack
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25092/
LBalk - LorikEolmin’s Balkans modification, original Balkans theater required
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/22503/
LKTO - LorikEolmin’s KTO modification
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/23907/
LMid - LorikEolmin’s MidEast 128 modification for the ODS campaign, original MidEast 128 theater required
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25166/
MidEast 128
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24735/
Nevada
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25231/
Nordic
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25157/
OFMKTO
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24811/
OFM-Taiwan
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25119/
Panama
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25111/
Somalia
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25091/
Vietnam
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/25120/Some in this list arent theaters but addons on excisting theaters, so 17 isnt right
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@molnibalage said in New maps?:
This cause of this is is maybe the lack of a real challenging red ATO, which never existed outside some 3rd party theater or MOD. Hopefully the future will change this.
While most campaign’s / theaters didnt have any wars that the f-16 are used in. Korea, vietnam for example. that did not stop the makers for building these theaters in the first place. Only wars after and included desert storm have f 16’s
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You lack the bigger picture:
Old terrain
There is a true lack of tooling and understanding on how to build a new terrain, tiling, creating objectives and putting all of that together…
Today, the tools and sources are almost lost to the abyss and creating a campaign for a new region is almost impossible…
On top, at this stage, I agree building a new theater based on a new map would be a huge loss of time with .38 coming maybe next year (if stars align) because it would be lost forevereeeeeeee and not even re-usable for the new terrain…
New Terrain
We’re trying as much as we can documenting how the building process is done and tools are mostly developped internaly.
I don’t say 3rd partu will get access from day one but we’ll try to give a heads up as quickly as we can…
So be prepared to eat KTO, ITO, Balkans and CET for a while before other theaters can come up…
the new terrain building process will be quite easy on the terrain side but expect the objectives placement to be hard (not the generation of them but more the correct placement of features, orientations, etc…)
This is will hopeffully improve over time…
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@dutchfighter Thats what I said 17 add on theatres. Many are not Europe or Korea. 7 are separate theatre maps that are not Korea or Europe. 10 separate theatres maps total including Europe and Korea. That is not enough for you until 4.38 comes out?
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@MaxWaldorf said in New maps?:
CET for a while before other theaters can come up…
Do you think CET are going to be released before .38?
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@VDK CET is designed for 38, so no…
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@molnibalage said in New maps?:
@dutchfighter said in New maps?:
Hello,
I cant say enough i like the effort people like max waldorf etc puts in to falcon bms. No complaining on that part of the argument.
My only remark with falcon bms right now is the lack of “new” maps. Doing the “same” campaign over and over again on maps like desert storm, nevada, vietnam,korea etc. For me it feels after al those years little bit second handed.
Years ago i was trying to build my own map
But after a while somebody pointed to me that the person behind mission commander was making the same map but bigger, i did take a look at his website and saw a update i believe 2015 or 2016 that looks more complete then what i had so i ditched it. It have no point to have 2 of the same maps in my eyes. So i was hopefull i could fly the f16 above central europa .I have given him a option to use my free time which he refused which i fully understand btw.
My question is are there some new maps in progress besides central europa?
This cause of this is is maybe the lack of a real challenging red ATO, which never existed outside some 3rd party theater or MOD. Hopefully the future will change this.
A player simply sets his/her ATO at 0 hour to full BARCAP and strike only airbases and SAMs and easily beats the red side, especially if the red side is inferior.
It is painful to see when the dumb red side uses its J-x and other outdated planes attacking 100% unimportant target with 100% suicidal behavior. While the player uses its best plane for BARCAP and OCA strikes aims only a very limited area with highly concentrated advanced planes.
Even with 4.32 I was able to configure such red side where a red package used MiG-23, J-6 and H-5 to form a large package. The H-5s went against the airbase, J-5/6s attacked HAWK SAM (with RBK) and the MiG-23 escorted these planes. I could see 12-16 size red side package. It was quite big for a 2-4 size BARCAP where only a handful of F-16A or F-15A was available and most of planes were F-4D and F-5.
Even with these inferior planes the red side had REAL power.
Now imagine a theater where the WPACT meets with the West but BEFORE the era of multi target channel SAMs.ATM multi target channel SAM simply breaks the ATO + campaign and the AI.
Agree some of the stock campaigns are a bit too easy. Blue side tends to have way too many planes. I like to even things up a bit with mission commander makes things a lot more interesting.
With all the theaters for 4.37 and mission commander you can make a lot of different campaigns. One I might do next US vs EU…
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@Hubert3000 said in New maps?:
Agree some of the stock campaigns are a bit too easy. Blue side tends to have way too many planes. I like to even things up a bit with mission commander makes things a lot more interesting.
Even when settings campaign parameters in « ace » level and completely in favor of red side ?
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@CheckPoint said in New maps?:
@Hubert3000 said in New maps?:
Agree some of the stock campaigns are a bit too easy. Blue side tends to have way too many planes. I like to even things up a bit with mission commander makes things a lot more interesting.
Even when settings campaign parameters in « ace » level and completely in favor of red side ?
It does not matter if the planes are used in totally bad way.
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Gentlemen,
this told honestly and frankly, with all the due respect to all and each of those opinions of yours first of all:
- no other currently active simulation does have so many theaters or campaigns made as we are so lucky for having been let to get - and for free, this has to be remarked too;
- the most strategical areas all over the the world have been developed and enhaced several times, with that only more than evident exception for those making them could infringe these Forums’ main rules about political opportunity and behave;
- we have just started the challenging VR implementation path, and, about the future new terrains, the very best is still to come, “tested” (if I dare to say so) by us final users as well and developed further. New playground, then its rules.
So, my personal opinion on this topic is: might all the current ones really be not enough until 4.38 will be released?
I’m leaving to all and each of you the answer, as it’s more than fair.With best regards to all.