SA-11, SA-17 Evasion
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Please someone with good experience should help out. Thanks
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@Sniper-0
Stay out of the launch zone, for a start Evasion from the missile is possible at a distance of no more than 10nm (thatās approximately, I didnāt count exactly). You need to turn away from the launch site, fire the afterburner, start the weave maneuver, and after about 5-6nm pull up. Chaff is ineffective, but thereās a very small chance to break lock. And the closer the launch, the less chance you have.But itās usually simpler than that. Stay below the radar. Youāll minimize the chance of anything being fired at you at all. Likewise, if youāre at altitude, immediately dive to the ground. Just donāt go up on the terrain. And yes, check the Threat guide. Thereās some pretty good advices there.
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@Sniper-0 The best defensive maneuver is to stay out of range. Especially if you try to deal with SA-13, 11/17 (they have the same missile in 4.37) and 10.
Also check: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjcJgAsk-VulfFA7lmWwpN5QbR4S-_yHc&si=5spxSSww7bTJuMoS
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Turn cold and go between 50-70 degrees down the moment you get a launch warning. (Iād turn cold the moment it shows up on RWR or goes inner ring). Then continue going cold and fly NOE and pray. Also turn your jammer off because it has HOJ.
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I developed this technique when I was flying with Zipgun and the guys in the Buk Hunters. It is based on the poke technique Tom had developed. Missed flying with you @Zipgun !
This can be flown with AI as well as with humans as wingies. If you do well, you can disable a full battery.
Here is the acmi LINK of me taking a battery with clusters while flying with the AI only.
And here are some slides of that time: LINK
Have fun!
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@Supernova Noted Sir, thanks a lot!
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@Foxtrot701 alright, Iāll do thatā¦ Thank you sir
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@MustErd Ohkk, Thank you Sir!
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@tiag Thank You Sir
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@tiag Interesting tatic suggestion - Thanks for the tip
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@Aragorn
No more than 50 meters off the ground. If itās flat ground, 10-15m. If you are close to the launch site, then 5m or even a little less. In general, āstay below the radarā means that if you are radiated, descenduntil you hit the grounduntil the radar stops radiating you or hide behind some relief irregularity. By the way, you can effectively fly very low by turning the cockpit down, just imagine that the ground is the top, but donāt forget to reverse pitch (not the fact that you can do this, itās quite a strange thing so far helped only to me). -
@Supernova said in SA-11, SA-17 Evasion:
By the way, you can effectively fly very low by turning the cockpit down, just imagine that the ground is the top, but donāt forget to reverse pitch (not the fact that you can do this, itās quite a strange thing so far helped only to me).Tried it more than once, been successful only once. In combat that is (virtual of course).
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@Supernova said:
10-15mā¦ turning the cockpit down.
Oookay, then. Was NOT expecting THAT.Time for me to GOTSā¦!! Rather, G (back) OTS.
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Circling back to the specifics of āEvadingā these high-threat systems ā Of course the best way to evade them is to not get shot by them and how do you do that? You stay out of their engagment zone.
But to stay out of their engagment zone you need to know where they are. High threat and mobile MERAD SAMs donāt always show themselves on the 2D map which makes this tricky.
Luckily there is a process whereby you can get a pretty good estimation of their location so you can place a PPT.After all, knowledge is power, and having the highest possible SA will make your decision making in the middle of the action much stronger.
I think perhaps some newer players forget that the brefing tab will alert you to SAM systems that arenāt always present on the 2D map.
Hereās the step by step:
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Click on the beifing tab and check the āThreat Analysisā for SAM threats near your route. The ATO automatically briefs SAMs that are close to your steerpoints.
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Click the Order of Battle (OOB) tab to start your search for the aforementioned geographical locations. Click āObjectivesā > āPoliticalā.
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Scroll down until you find the location you are looking for. Click it, then click āfindā this will center the map on that location so sometimes itās handy to zoom in a little bit. It should also highlight the location name on the 2D map.
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Finally, all you need to do is select the ruler tool and adjust it to the length and direction indicated by the briefing (in this case 4nm NE) and low and behold youāll see an objective which is the likely location of the threat.
Cheers
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@DUSTOFF17 This is great. Thanks Alot