Virtual Crew Chief for BMS
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@Tomcattwo Thank you for that answer! Looking forward too what Bogey Dope has in the box for us
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@Crassus ,
I just got the same question asked on my YouTube post, and was provided with this OUTSTANDING video by the author of the comment (tommyzDad). I encourage everyone to watch this all the way through: it is a real USAF F-16 ramp start taken from the perspective of the Crew Chief (who was wearing a GoPro or similar head camera). After seeing this, I will revisit with @Ricky about adding the T2 (pull chocks) command to the āCleared offā command.Enjoy the video!!
Regards,
Tomcattwo
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@Tomcattwo Great video thank you! I wonder why the crew chief waves his hand across each panel after he closes it.
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@danster said in Virtual Crew Chief for BMS:
@Tomcattwo Great video thank you! I wonder why the crew chief waves his hand across each panel after he closes it.
Its a secondary check that the panel and locking tabs are flush with the aircraft surface. I only did this see-off a hand full of times in my RAF career, as I was second line servicing, where aircraft serviced (which could take months) carried out a flight test before being released back to the flying squadron. Panel security is of high importance along with the removal of safety pins. What we donāt see are the removal and storage of the seat safety pins and storage in the cockpit. They are stored in clear view of the pilot. The pilot usually removes the last seat pin (between his legs) and stores it with the other 4. All actions are āhabitsā that are used to make sure everything is carried out in order and correctly. There are no parking spaces up there.
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I just thought, Iāve never seen seat pins in the F16. So here is a pic of the Jaguar I worked on for 13 years. The seat pin storage highlighted.
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@Tomcattwo Oooookay, then. (Amazing vid, BTW. Thanks.)
I have questions. (For any of the experts in this thread)
Iām going on the basis that there is no such thing as a stupid question, so - forgive me if the answers are obvious.
- He seems relaxed when he ducks past the nozzle a few times, rightā¦?
SO - during the RAMP, when the throttle is pushed forward and the nozzle closes somewhatā¦
- What would happen if someone were standing BEHIND the nozzleā¦?
Would they be blown backwards (like with heavy commercial jets)ā¦?
Would they get BURNEDā¦? (Like - is that exhaust ridiculously hotā¦?)
Bothā¦? Neitherā¦?
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When the nozzle is completely open. What would happen if one were standing right behind the nozzleā¦?
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Assuming that it WOULD hurt (so this question is irrelevant if the above answers were: ānothing would happenā)ā¦
- What would be a SAFE distance to stand behind the nozzle as it is:
a.) Open. b.) Begins to close upā¦?
- The safety pins on the landing gearā¦
IF he had forgotten to pull one of those pinsā¦ (I am assuming here that they donāt seem in any way connected electronically; they seem physical)
- Could the jet still taxi and take-off; the issue only becoming evident when he tried to raise the gearā¦? Or - are those pins actually connected somehow, and would not allow taxiā¦?
I just canāt believe that in the entire history of military jet-aviation that not a single person on any one of a million occasions has not forgotten just one pin. Head-trauma from a year prior; concussion from last week; hangover; depression; thinking about a sick relative; simple brain-fart. Surely - statistically - it must have happened.
Sorry for SO MANY questions, but - I just need to know.
(I actually cut out another three that I have) - He seems relaxed when he ducks past the nozzle a few times, rightā¦?
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Yeah, man.
@jagfour was one of the guys I thought of when I posted the questions.
Iād really love answers.
Maybe Ricky could hit up BogeyDope the next time heās in contactā¦?
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@Aragorn
This might help:From āUSAF F-16 Emergency Extraction Card.pdfā
Idle thrust is the bottom picture. I am guessing the PW 200/229 Engines have a similar danger area.
For some frame of reference, generally a human cannot hold their hand/fingers in or on something that is 140 degrees Fahrenheit or hotter.
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@Aragorn said in Virtual Crew Chief for BMS:
@Tomcattwo Oooookay, then. (Amazing vid, BTW. Thanks.)
I have questions. (For any of the experts in this thread)
Iām going on the basis that there is no such thing as a stupid question, so - forgive me if the answers are obvious.
- He seems relaxed when he ducks past the nozzle a few times, rightā¦?
SO - during the RAMP, when the throttle is pushed forward and the nozzle closes somewhatā¦
- What would happen if someone were standing BEHIND the nozzleā¦?
Would they be blown backwards (like with heavy commercial jets)ā¦?
Would they get BURNEDā¦? (Like - is that exhaust ridiculously hotā¦?)
Bothā¦? Neitherā¦?
Also (related) ā>
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When the nozzle is completely open. What would happen if one were standing right behind the nozzleā¦?
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Assuming that it WOULD hurt (so this question is irrelevant if the above answers were: ānothing would happenā)ā¦
- What would be a SAFE distance to stand behind the nozzle as it is:
a.) Open. b.) Begins to close upā¦?
- The safety pins on the landing gearā¦
IF he had forgotten to pull one of those pinsā¦ (I am assuming here that they donāt seem in any way connected electronically; they seem physical)
- Could the jet still taxi and take-off; the issue only becoming evident when he tried to raise the gearā¦? Or - are those pins actually connected somehow, and would not allow taxiā¦?
I just canāt believe that in the entire history of military jet-aviation that not a single person on any one of a million occasions has not forgotten just one pin. Head-trauma from a year prior; concussion from last week; hangover; depression; thinking about a sick relative; simple brain-fart. Surely - statistically - it must have happened.
Sorry for SO MANY questions, but - I just need to know.
(I actually cut out another three that I have)Lol, correct there are no stupid questions. You donāt need anyone who doesnāt know what they are doing messing around with aircraft.
- The crew chief ducks down as he passes the nozzle. No one would argue with jet flux just like a civvy would not argue with a tank. Unless your Chinese. I argued with a Hercules once when he engaged reverse. I was at least 100m in front of him and he still won as I didnāt have my safety goggles on. The dust cloud was ginormous in the desert.
2 and 3 are only for the stupid. We all get trained to respect jet flux and safety distances around aircraft.
- A safety pin would hold the leg in the downward position and would be shown as a red landing light when u/c up is selected when the other lights go out. The pilot would just land at the earliest opportunity. They would also likely be informed by the ATC that 1 leg is down. No big deal but embarrassing for the pilot. The pins are not connected to anything electrical as far as I know, but I canāt speak for every aircraft. The red flag on every safety pin is a visual sign from distance of a pin still fitted.
- He seems relaxed when he ducks past the nozzle a few times, rightā¦?
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Cheers for the answers, dudes.
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@Aragorn
Gorn, also note in the Launch Procedure video I posted, the Crew Chief never ducks under the ājet blastā - he only ducks under the nozzle. This forces him physically to get lower than the expected jet blast. You can see this clearly around time 8:50 - 9:15 when he is moving from right to left sides to pull the chocks.
Regards,
Tomcattwo
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@Tomcattwo Hi, me again. Iāve done the Configure Joysticks and still no luck .āDisregardā it is
Other than that, 10/10.
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- Did you ASSIGN your joystick/rudders in Voice Attack (wrench icon, bottom right of Voice Attack window)? If not, this would be why you didnāt get the popup. Please check and let me know if you see your stick(s)/rudder properly assigned:
If not, please do this first.
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Did you ever get the popup box explaining that Virtual Crew Chief for BMS needs to determine your joystick axes, and instructing you to follow the instructions in the Voice Attack events window with a button to Continue? If you did not get this popup box, try this:
a) Switch the Active Profile to AVCS CORE 1.11. When that has finished initializing,
b) Switch the Active Profile back to Virtual Crew Chief for BMS -
You should then get the popup box - follow the directions.
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Also, while Virtual Crew Chief for BMS is active profile, open the profile (Button with the pencil), Select Options, and ensure that Falcon BMS.exe is set in the line āSend Output to:ā
- Then switch active profile back to AVCS CORE 1.11 - when it finishes initializing, active profile will be AVCS4 Falcon BMS Radios (v1.42)
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@Tomcattwo
Same as @CriticalMass here, surface control movements and brakes are not taken into account by the CC, the strange thing is that trim check is ok.
I did all the recommanded setup, all the other step are ok.Do you have any advice?
Great job really, start up now enjoyable . Thanks a lot
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@Wingedsky ,
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Are you using AVCS profile by SemlerPDX in VoiceAttack? Or just VCC for BMS by itself in VoiceAttack? Are you using any other profiles in VoiceAttack?
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What are your joystick/rudder assignments as seen in VoiceAttack? (In VoiceAttack, click on wrench icon on bottom right, in pop-up window, General Tab, Joysticks - what does VA think is assigned)?
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Did you ever get the pop-up window in Virtual Crew Chief for BMS that asks you to follow instructions to assign joystick/rudder axes? If you did, were you able to get the axes recognized by VCC4BMS? (The VoiceAttack event screen will tell you when it sees the axis as you follow the prompts).
Trim checks work fine because trim adjustments are not the result of any axis movement - they are keypress callback generated (even if you have them assigned on a joystick hat or button).
The reason you are seeing no response on commands āBig Movementsā, āDBUā, or āBrake Checksā is that VCC4BMS does not know what axes are assigned to pitch/roll/yaw or toebrake assignments. We have to figure out why you and @CriticalMass are not getting the initialization popups to assign these axes in VCC4BMS.
If you can answer the above questions for me, it may help me figure out what your specific issue is so we can get it working.
I might see about doing an installation instruction video for installing VCC4BMS in VoiceAttack with AVCS and one without.
@Ricky - jump in please to assist. Thanks!
Regards,
Tomcattwo
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@Wingedsky , @CriticalMass ,
Try this:- Start VoiceAttack.
- Make āVirtual Crew Chief for BMSā the Active Profile (using the dropdown arrow at the top of the VoiceAttack window).
- Give the voice command: āConfigure Joysticksā
- Follow the on-screen prompts in the VoiceAttack Events window to assign each joystick axis in turn.
- Once this is complete, if you are using AVCS, make AVCS CORE (V1.11) the active profile. Test a few simple voice commands (such as āHowās it going, Chief?ā) to see if VCC4BMS is working.
- Go do a Ramp Start in BMS and see if the problem is solved.
Please let me know how it goes.
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Tomcattwo
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@Tomcattwo Thanks for your answer
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I am using Voice attack v1.10.6v64 bits, with AVCS v1.11 and AVCS Falcon BMS radio v1.42.
No profile in addition except Virtual Crew Chief for BMS included into AVCS profile. No other profile. -
Throttle - Hotas Warthog is Joystick 1
Joystick - Hotas Warthog is Joystick 2
T-Pendular-Rudder is Joystick 3
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Yes All the axis were correctly recognized during the first running of VCC4BMS. I also did several times the reconfiguration as explained in your last post and configuration completed each time. but no change during the Ramp Start.
I hope It can help.
Windblow
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