Maverick's on Israel Theater v1.07.2?
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@cchaparro Hi, if they are not , you can add them via Squadron Stores in the Editor. After you do that, put them on the appropriate hardpoint(s), resupply the squadron with Mission Commander, and you are good-to-go.
What aircraft and which Mav variant? -
IR MAVs are one of the worst choices you can select against a moving target - unless there is a clear, cold, background…like a ship on the water. In the desert? Fuggedabouddit.
A laser guided munition - LGB or LMAV would be a (much) better choice. I know LMAVs were not a previous option, but nowadays…? Be ready to manually designate, in TGP Point mode.
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@drtbkj
I know the option of Mission Commander, but I ask for a clean use of the AGM-65’s on Israel Theater, to know if these missiles are “yes or not” on this Theater, like on real life.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_munitions_used_by_the_Israeli_Air_Force
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@cchaparro said in Maverick's on Israel Theater v1.07.2?:
@drtbkj
I know the option of Mission Commander, but I ask for a clean use of the AGM-65’s on Israel Theater, to know if these missiles are “yes or not” on this Theater, like on real life.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_munitions_used_by_the_Israeli_Air_Force
Hi, I can’t address the stock ITO . I do know if 's a complicated process to put a new jet or weapon into a database. Meanwhile we
invite you to check out the oncoming ITO-OFM. That’s why I was wondering which jet , and if there’s any particular Mav variant you want -
@Stevie
In a real situation, MAV’s are “fire and forget”, very effective weapon, not like Laser Guided Bombs, that force you to keep the objective fixed, and launch in a suitable weather environment.Easy attack’s on enemy zone.
All weapons have their good uses.But anyway, I’m not here to discuss which is the best weapon to eliminate targets, I would just like to know if, “yes or not”, there are Maverick’s AGM-65’s in Israel Theater, only this is my question.
I really appreciate the interest in looking for alternatives to using Maverick’s on Israel Theater, that are simple to use in combat.
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@drtbkj
The most common Maverick’s, or all Mav’s:
AGM-65B, D, E
A, L are not very important.But if there aren’t on Israel Theater by default, don’t worry about this topic, it’s only to know if there are or not.
I can play on Korea and Balkans with MAV’s without go to Mission Commander and make changes for this reason.
Thank’s for your interest in helping, really thank’s.
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@cchaparro Our pleasure.
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@cchaparro - not strictly true. I’ve been involved in the firing of several RL MAVs - both IR and laser, from different platforms - and for certain with the laser you have to maintain a laser spot on target until impact, so it is NOT “fire and forget”.
With an IR MAV the probability of the seeker tracking both the target and its exhaust or wake contribute to making the probability of actually hitting the target pretty low, unless the target has a very high (and distinct) thermal contrast against the background.
Dunno about the TV MAV, but dust and environment in the target area from other detonations/activity will also interfere with the seeker efficiency on all MAVs.
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@Stevie
…so it is NOT “fire and forget”…
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The Maverick missile is unable to lock onto targets on its own; it has to be given input by the pilot or weapon systems officer after which it follows the path to the target autonomously.
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The Maverick is a fire and forget weapon which autonomously tracks the path to the target automatically.
"¿? AGM-65A,B,D aren’t “fire and forget”?. Wow Stevie, relax.
Add: E is Laser, not “fire and forget”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-65_Maverick
“This fire-and-forget property is not shared by the E version that uses semi-active laser homing”
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The AGM-65 Maverick is an air-to-ground missile (AGM) designed for close air support. It is the most widely produced precision-guided missile in the Western world,[4] and is effective against a wide range of tactical targets, including armor, air defenses, ships, ground transportation and fuel storage facilities.
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@Stevie
I repeat, I didn’t ask this question to start a discussion about types of weapons, only to find out whether or not there are AGM-65’s in Israel Theater. It is already clear that it’s not implemented.No problem, I’m not the author of Israel Theater, if I were, there would be AGM-65’s for sure. Just asking to know, it’s all. I appreciate all help here.
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@cchaparro - Also note that the A, B, and D (as far as I know) are no longer in active inventory. So you should expect MAV E, F (USN only, as I recall), G, and/or L in the Theater. So E, G, and/or L would be appropriate.
Again, as you’ve found - the E and L are NOT “fire and forget”, but are the ones of choice/preference for desert ops and most appropriate for the ITO Theater. Since the OFM folks are tuning in, I’m thinking they could/can use this input for future reference.
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@Stevie
Perhaps some AGM-65’s can be included in the future versions, but I don’t know if will be.L model is best used by ground forces pointing the laser, not the fighter itself, that only shoot but getting away inmediatly from dangerous zones. Other aircraft can point the laser too from other side, while the main fighter get away to evade anti-air threats.
The Maverick’s are a killing tank weapon.
But of course, GBU’s-LGB’s are best impact weapons against armored vehicles, how you mention.However, the AGM-65 family is a must to have in air to ground combat, cheapest weapons with good balance of power.
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@cchaparro - again, not entirely true. Using an airborne laser and having an aircraft self-support LMAV is just as effective as using a ground based laser, and of course, is safer for personnel on the ground by reducing their exposure to fire - because as you point out, they can be detected.
I’ve directed LMAV shots employing both airborne and ground based lasers, so I know a lot about them - doesn’t matter if the MAV is an E or an L…just has to be a laser one. And all of my RL MAV (LMAV and IMAV) shots have been against tank or tank hulk targets. MAVs are primarily Close Air Support (CAS) weapons, tank-killers for sure, but also trains, bridges, hardened surface targets, buildings, and with the use of self-lasing they are also being employed in increasing frequency where a straff or mortar might otherwise be employed because they can be so quickly on station and accurate.
At this point, I will add that the LMAV model in BMS is still immature - so don’t take it as “truth”. However, it is steadily improving - intro to 4.37 was nice work as far as LMAV goes…the fly-outs of all BMS MAV models need work…the IR MAV model is the best, other than that it may be over-modeled, and also needs some fly-out work.
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@Stevie
That’s true.Then, on Israel Theater, if there aren’t MAV’s, what other weapon can be used like AGM-65’s?, cheapest, 6 on rails (3 each side), to can attack some group of tanks in movement in a CAS situation?.
Perhaps Rampage’s?, but aren’t implemented at all, and can’t be selected on inventory.
Israel doesn’t use any AGM-65’s actually and in the 90’s?, to can be allowed in this Theater ingame?.It’s only a question to know how to react in combat when in patrol over enemy lines with ground forces like tanks, trucks, etc.
I continuosly ask because a group of only 4 fighters with 6 AGM-65’s each one, can destroy a ground force of 24 armored vehicles, if no one fails of course. And do this task in only 5 minutes. With Laser weapons, you waste so much time pointing laser and waiting for every impact one by one at every pass.
In combat, I need efficiency and speed to avoid risks, like allowing to the enemy more time to call in enemy fighters to support them.
Are only some appreciations to know and to learn how to do the best.
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@cchaparro - Mk82s - high drag, low drag, selectable, and/or laser guided, as fits the tactical situation - were also bread and butter CAS weapons during my Harrier years. But USMC pilots were also tac-drivers when it came to conventional bombing! 2.75" and 5" rockets were also staples. And the gun…a Harrier has a 25mm vise 20mm gun, though.
The key is using the right release mode in the jet to suit what you are doing - I read a lot of stuff where folks are just mis-applying the tech. Use visual bombing - radar bombing is the worst solution you can try…
I once watched a LtCol put his last Mk83 right into the dumper of a truck after I goaded him about not having hit the thing in 5 previous deliveries. I used to always have discussions with my crews - “do want me to fly the symbology, or do you want me to hit the target?” For what we were doing I needed them to fly to what the jet was telling them, but when I let go of the leash…