New Texture Balkans
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Just to clarify in case you guys are responding to my post about releasing as is… It was a joke. I wasn’t serious about him releasing it as is… hence the “(Joking)”…
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Fighting Falcon … or Falcon Online … or someone else … doesnt really matter at all.
Some people unite their efforts … other people unite their efforts… so what… this is what drives everything.But before being too enthusiastic about something, please consider everyone, that a complete solid working thaeater needs more work than just terain texture … and there is still a road to go.
With one thing written along all this i personally can fully agree… Dont release anything what is not complete and tested…we have seen those things too often and they dont last long.
Fighting Falcon…just keep working …you are doing a good job.
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Let me make something very clear. If Falcon Online members are working on this Theater they are working on it on there Free time. If someone else want to work on this theater be my guest. PPL here think that with the new terrain everything is good and working, let me tell you all the paths are broken which are being fixed and it is Huge task to under take not to mention the campaign is not working.
No one has any right to demand anything from FO cuz they are not helping or doing anything for this project. Lot of ppl here just think that we are just holding it for our own fun which is not true. When it is ready an installer will be made & release will happen. I have already made a Post here so the community will know who is working on what phase.
This is not a secret Project or anything ppl here need’s to patient so this Theater see’s light of day.
P.S just having a terrain does’t make a theater… just think about it.
Never said anything about the terrain, we knew this was being worked on when FO announced there involvement in campaign design. Your guys work has been stellar to some degree. However me and anyone else CONCERNED with the development of the campaign portion being tied to a Force on Force install are only asking that you DO NOT REMOVE the 3 base campaigns that are already in place. As stated my experience flying that theater to day is fantastic BESIDES the ground units moving. If there are other problems ok whatever I trust you guys will fix them just like the paths in BFS were fixed. But no new Cheesy campaign ideas to replace whats already in place thats all. And regarding how long it takes I dont give a **** things always take years around here I don’t ask for release dates its pointless U5 just came out I can wait. Thanx
ScRaPeD
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Just to be clear the development of a theater as regards the textures is not a fast work obviously and that’s more true so the larger is the theater. There are several months that me and FF cooperating for the creation of the textures part, he for the most part of the forrest farm ecc and I especially for photorealistic detail of some towns. When a few months ago Rudy decided to envolve Falcon-Online in the campaign development, for the experience of guys like Mystic, A.S, Archer etc. he gave to FO a work that’s should be pretty complete. However, after a few days of work , we realized that there were a lot of problems to be solved:
- towns and villages rectangular
- unnecessary rivers frquently there are only irrigation canals.
- In the scenario Balkans there are a lot of large European rivers such as the Po, Adige, the Tagliamento, the Piave and Isonzo in Italy and the Danube on the border of the theater that meets the Sava another major river of eastern europe. These rivers were a series of lakes with sausage shape joined by thin tiles of the river, irrealisitic and really bad to see, like in the original.
- In addition, many 3D objects in particular bridges were completely displaced from the position that they should have.
While I’m solving these problems, Dado is working on the campaign for fix a lot of issue on this work.
Ok Rudy is working right now on new tiles for forrest:rolleyes: it is his right to do it, we need time for fix the problems and make a perfect working campaign, that’s all.Sorry for my long post in bad english but I have a big respect for this awesome community and I think all guys whaiting for this thater need an exhaustive explanation of the situation.
Regards
D.
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Thank you for explanations Guys. I didn’t want to be rude with anybody, but I was and I think someone else could be confused.
keep your good work
cheers
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Never said anything about the terrain, we knew this was being worked on when FO announced there involvement in campaign design. Your guys work has been stellar to some degree. However me and anyone else CONCERNED with the development of the campaign portion being tied to a Force on Force install are only asking that you DO NOT REMOVE the 3 base campaigns that are already in place. As stated my experience flying that theater to day is fantastic BESIDES the ground units moving. If there are other problems ok whatever I trust you guys will fix them just like the paths in BFS were fixed. But no new Cheesy campaign ideas to replace whats already in place thats all. And regarding how long it takes I dont give a **** things always take years around here I don’t ask for release dates its pointless U5 just came out I can wait. Thanx
ScRaPeD
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If I can’t fly the original Balkans campaigns in multiplayer just like I do with KTO, then the Balkans theater will be a no-go for me despite all the great work.
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Never said anything about the terrain, we knew this was being worked on when FO announced there involvement in campaign design. Your guys work has been stellar to some degree. . As stated my experience flying that theater to day is fantastic BESIDES the ground units moving.
ScRaPeD
Dado & Danguard, as far as I know are working on 1 Campaign, and it is the Save0.cam file, it will have reduced objectives, I believe he has reduced them already by 4000, and has fixed many of the problem links in concert with the paths on the Tiles. “IF” The Base Campaigns are left in, you will not have any guarantee the objective links will be correct according to each tile, because the tiles have changed.
However me and anyone else CONCERNED with the development of the campaign portion being tied to a Force on Force install are only asking that you DO NOT REMOVE the 3 base campaigns that are already in place. ScRaPeD
If you are eager to play the 3 base campaigns, you can kindly request FF for the tiles and use them as is.
If there are other problems ok whatever I trust you guys will fix them just like the paths in BFS were fixed. But no new Cheesy campaign ideas to replace whats already in place thats all. ScRaPeD
Dado & Danguard are working on an entirely new Campaign for Balkans with changes in the database. :birt:
Regards,
Mystic
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this evening he my opinion and any decisions.
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OK So you saying that leaving in the old campaigns like Save 1 and Save 2 will corrupt a new an improved save0? If thats the case your saying they are replacing the dead save 1 and 2 with new created ones?
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Having seen the screens showing Fighting Falcon’s work and knowing the experience and dedication of the Falcon Online crew when it comes to making campaigns I’m sure this theater will be worth the wait. Exact release date is of little importance.
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OK So you saying that leaving in the old campaigns like Save 1 and Save 2 will corrupt a new an improved save0? If thats the case your saying they are replacing the dead save 1 and 2 with new created ones?
No they should not be corrupted by the Save0.cam, and I don’t know if they will be using the Save1 or 2, I very much doubt they will leave them in there, but that is something you would need to ask D&D.
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OK So you saying that leaving in the old campaigns like Save 1 and Save 2 will corrupt a new an improved save0? If thats the case your saying they are replacing the dead save 1 and 2 with new created ones?
Easy one.
If a new Save0.cam file is built upon a new theater which has enjoyed new elevation-work and new “path-ing” … old Save1 and Save2 wont work properly.
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The best way to go here is to create your theater (landscape) first (textures, elevations, areas, pathes, THR file -where units actually can go- texture.bin…etc etc) … all fundamental jobs basically.
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Then create or place the objectives related to your THR file as global template for all scenarios and do your linkings (obj and parent-links) in tacedit… also re-check the elevations bases of the objectives if they are plane otherwise you will get single-sided hovering buildings or broke runways and such.
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Once the TE map is built, you can create from here offsprings like a save0, save1 and a save2 file with new PAK areas and other individual definitions within your campaign-folders… as required.
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NOW you can start populating the different scenarious (save0,1,2) with tactically placed and defined units with respect to ONE requirements-adjusted database for all … etc
Save1 and Save2 campaigns can be dublicates of the Save0 with the only difference of having a “moved” frontline, but they can also be completly new war-scenarious with different planes, weapons …etc etc, like in BFS i.e.
As this Balkan (afaik) is a completly “new” built (even though its still Balkan) … old campaigns are not adviseable at all !
If Fighting Falcon´s job would be ONLY to take an old Balkan theater (which is not very thought-through from designing-perspective imo.) and would just change the excisting textures to better looking ones, one could use the rest as it was before, but i doubt this is what they do from what i hear.I dont know how long FF is working on the terrain, but i can assure you with expirienced estimate, that it will take another 3-4 month to do the rest if it is intented to be done properly. Personally i dont expect a qualified test-run before autumn, but i would be pleased to be suprised and see it earlier done
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I just want to say that any problem on the current texture, should be amended. should be asked directly to me and nobody else. the bin if modified will no longer be integrated anything. I am told what needs to be fixed and I do. retrospect the ground will not be published by anyone.
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I hope I was clear I apologize for my bad English.
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@Fighting:
I just want to say that any problem on the current texture, should be amended. should be asked directly to me and nobody else. the bin if modified will no longer be integrated anything. I am told what needs to be fixed and I do. retrospect the ground will not be published by anyone.
I’m sorry Rudy but probably we have a big misunderstanding here: we worked together on the same project with a lot of problems from the beginning, probably for a wrong idea of teamworking (Dema is witness for this) but … “water passed under the bridge”. Approximately three months ago you decided, accordingly with me, to make a teamwork with Falcon-Online for to build a complete theater and campaign, and you told me your tiling work was pretty finisched and I sent you a request of explanation and you didn’t answer me. In the 7th May we saw you posted other pictures for a different tiling, meanwhile other peoples working havily on the correction of problems in your tile and on the construction of a new campaign. I sent you a lot of PM, SMS to invite you for a meeting with Falcon-Online staff group without answer. I dont’ want create flame in the forum but publically I invite you to rflect before to write.
I apologize with Moderators because probably the contents of this post would have to be part of a PM but enough is enough8-). Of course you’re free to post whatever you want but You need to make a working campaign for make a theater, otherwise it’s just a work of tiling such as Tom for Korea.Sorry for my English is worse :p.
regards
D.
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sorry but you do not change the work done by others. if you have not answered your posts there is a reason? have to do the campaign ok! but changing tiles rivers and farms means to redo your liking without knowing in advance. speech ends here will not tolerate further grazie.topic of conversation. on the campaign for the changes? ust ask … ok!
We do work for the campaign.
the boys correct tile roads FANTASTIC JOB.
ALL that to a GOOD CAMPAIGN OPERATION OK.
but change at will the one already made,NO I agree.THE END OF THE SPEECH FOR THE REST PM THANKS.
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I’m sorry Rudy but probably we have a big misunderstanding here: we worked together on the same project with a lot of problems from the beginning, probably for a wrong idea of teamworking (Dema is witness for this) but … “water passed under the bridge”. Approximately three months ago you decided, accordingly with me, to make a teamwork with Falcon-Online for to build a complete theater and campaign, and you told me your tiling work was pretty finisched and I sent you a request of explanation and you didn’t answer me. In the 7th May we saw you posted other pictures for a different tiling, meanwhile other peoples working havily on the correction of problems in your tile and on the construction of a new campaign. I sent you a lot of PM, SMS to invite you for a meeting with Falcon-Online staff group without answer. I dont’ want create flame in the forum but publically I invite you to rflect before to write.
I apologize with Moderators because probably the contents of this post would have to be part of a PM but enough is enough8-). Of course you’re free to post whatever you want but You need to make a working campaign for make a theater, otherwise it’s just a work of tiling such as Tom for Korea.Sorry for my English is worse :p.
regards
D.
Did you seriously just try to put your name first in the credits for work on the terrain?
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Did you seriously just try to put your name first in the credits for work on the terrain?
no mate, I always worked alone from the outset, and then substitute the help of d. JUST for the RECORD.
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Did you seriously just try to put your name first in the credits for work on the terrain?
I am coworker in this textures and Rudy joined to us for release a working terrain? Why this question? Have you different information?
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