New Texture Balkans
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“ogni scarrafone è bello a mamma soa”, Imho siete sulla strada sbagliata entrambi:
Having a working product, (OMG is there anykind of definition for working in falcon world?), is not that simple if you are talking about a theater. Even Korea “as is” is not working. Putting this big effort in 2D tiles is a good try but a useless thing if u have a unit crossing a lake, a misaligned airport, elevation problem, no link between OBJ or too many of them, undefined PAK and so on… adding the texture is an eyecandy, sure it is a sweet one, but it is also forgotten while looking at what is lying under the textures.
No point to beta something while the only change is the texture on the land or some terrain changes! Terrain editor does that very well in just a couple of ms and in just some clicks!
trying to see who has the harder skull isn’t a good thing too, if thee was any team I think u had (or should have in case) divided the big amount of tasks and assign them to the best man who has time and is capable to finish the job.
Doing this by “solo” or even thinking about this is pure madness, even mother Dave can’t do this as a one man army.
It would be a shame to have 2 projects running on the same theater, someone will drop his weapon, hopefully not both of you…Good luck,
co e paroe no se fa’n casso, basta ciacole che no serve a nient
P.S. chesto no lo tradus nesuni!
Exactly, we are working to create a full working theater and not only on tiling, we are working for to have a terrain with working airfields and wirh accurates geographical data and not only with some “trompe l’oeil” on the walls for a lake or for a river and mainly we are working for a good running campaign, force on force and singleplayer. We worked together, me and Rudy, and inexplicably he some month ago decided to exit from Falcon Online after he requested us to release terrain in our community in the first time. Probably he want spotlights for himself.
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I agree with Canister 100% that’s why i wanted to delay the Beta Release of this Theater. Just putting Pictures over a Terrain does’t make a Theater. I am very Disappointed with this Beta release Cuz i wanted a Fully working Theater to be released not some half baked PMC stuff.
There will be a Release under Falcon Online with a Working Campaign as i have said before which is very close to being Finished. All Credits will be Given where they are due. If some one feel that i have not Thanked them Enough times for all there Work so be it.
One last Thing United we Stand, Divided we Fall.
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We have been down this road before. Let us learn from the lessons of the past. If you can work this out it will be for the benefit of all. No need to go back and forth on the forums. Everyone’s hard work is appreciated EQUALLY!! The community needs less ego’s and more completed projects, This sometimes requires humility. I would hate to see this much anticipated project fall to bickering. -
FF don’t you think that releasing theater that is only 80% done (without the campaign) is a little bit waste of immersion? Why don’t give us 100% the best possible work, so we can enjoy it more?
However, is up to you what you going to do with your project.
I’ll be always greatful for your amazing work, even if I disagree with your politics.
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Seems like all the FO guys are piling on Fighting Falcon for releasing two folders with tiles and a campaign file. Isn’t it his right to release his mod however he likes? I do agree though if Danguard’s work is in there and he doesn’t want it to be then I think it should be removed. If Danguard and the FO guys are going to release another version of the theater then that’s awesome. Otherwise I don’t see what the big deal is other than being upset he released tiles he has been working on for years that you guys planned on using in your theater.
Either way thanks to Fighting Falcon for his many many hours working on these tiles. I know how much work it is to do what you’ve done. We’ve been using the default Balkans for years using the campaign that comes with it and had no issues. Never won a campaign, but still had 100s of hours enjoying the theater without issue, so it’s not like the tiles you released are for a non-functioning theater. If we waited for a “completed” theater we’d never have anything to fly in lol :D. Other than Korea what completed theater do we have? Falcon is a perpetual work-in-progress :).
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FF don’t you think that releasing theater that is only 80% done (without the campaign) is a little bit waste of immersion? Why don’t give us 100% the best possible work, so we can enjoy it more?
However, is up to you what you going to do with your project.
I’ll be always greatful for your amazing work, even if I disagree with your politics.
Regards.I released the same version you have. without ever having a news.
3 version with correct,: correct city elevations air base ricorrect. tcn, ils checked and correct.
texture , forest, farm new maxi project. soon will be able to assess the result.
and free to share with anyone you want.
the campaign is not my job.
months of work to hear me attack (not right)rudy.
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Agreed, Demo pretty much nailed it on the head gents, good dev teams dont splash thier dirty laundry all over the open forums like this, every dev team has butting heads and differences, they just keep them out of the public eye, FF released what he has been working on, to the excitement of the entire community, and i would have to assume that there will be alot more sets of eyes looking/forming the pieces that are missing into an excellent theater, so lets not take that away and turn this into an ego show here. Their are alot of talented guys both in the FO world and others, so please try and settle this out in a private setting rather then the he said/she said in the open forum.
Me personally i am jacked up because even the wing i am part of has some fantastic developers and i cant wait to see what they do with these tiles, as well as the force on force that im sure the FO guys are madly working on.
Lets remember why we’re here gents, its not the proverbial ‘whip em out’ its the continuation of an excellent product and i hope it can be ironed out between the two sides.
Again FF thank you sir for the release!!
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Seems like all the FO guys are piling on Fighting Falcon for releasing two folders with tiles and a campaign file. Isn’t it his right to release his mod however he likes? I do agree though if Danguard’s work is in there and he doesn’t want it to be then I think it should be removed. If Danguard and the FO guys are going to release another version of the theater then that’s awesome. Otherwise I don’t see what the big deal is other than being upset he released tiles he has been working on for years that you guys planned on using in your theater.
Either way thanks to Fighting Falcon for his many many hours working on these tiles. I know how much work it is to do what you’ve done. We’ve been using the default Balkans for years using the campaign that comes with it and had no issues. Never won a campaign, but still had 100s of hours enjoying the theater without issue, so it’s not like the tiles you released are for a non-functioning theater. If we waited for a “completed” theater we’d never have anything to fly in lol :D. Other than Korea what completed theater do we have? Falcon is a perpetual work-in-progress :).
Demo I think that the problem here is that member of the same workteam decide to divide and follow separate roads, this isn’t the first time in falcon history and sure won’t be the last, and not someone just pointing the finger on someone.
There’s no problem to release anything, all that is released is a good thing for the community, but imho having the same goal working together will minimize the travail and lower the time to release something (I don’t work in the Balkans theater).
Saying “No that is my stuff you can’t take that in your release” when talking about freeware imho is bullshit and a child-like behavior, from whoever is gonna say that.
everyone can cook a theater “in this state” just surf the web and do a couple of edits, but there are only a few with enough time and wisdom and almost noone other than microprose were ever able to finish it!
(me too, as I have no time atm to work on Taiwan)
I also did some tiling work in the past, it’s a pain and requires a lot of time and dedication. I repeat,imho, noone here is saying that the work made here by rudy or danguard or whoever is worthless, but if u consider the whole thing is just a piece of the puzzle. What is worthless is having a good thing but that can’t be enjoyed, like having a rocksolid theater but a non working UI that can’t u let enter the game (just to make and example outside of the question here) -
Seems like all the FO guys are piling on Fighting Falcon for releasing two folders with tiles and a campaign file.
Although i guess i missed the whole picture here, this is not true. Me (and others here i think) could care less when and what he releases or under whos name or in what constelation.
But knowing that he put that much effort into it, it would be nice to see it flourishing as a solid release with an oppertunity for the whole
community to actually enjoy this cool theater on a consistent basis with a consistent plattform, instead of being another great
2 day falcon buzz with a following hangover as seen just too often before.
Actually, it might be even good to release it now, so others can hook up and work on it or support, as i know that it will take another leap in
order to make it solid “granit”, but i am also patient.I think our standpoint is very clear here: FO has no play in this as such, but if they want to evolve and host it one day on a FO server, so the
community can enjoy it together, they are more than welcome.All that other who, me, them, versus…what …lost…hah …hicks…cheers …nonsense is childish, in other words the drama (if there is such a things)
would be waste of time and pointless. In my personal opinion there is no “me” in Falcon, because the “us” makes it to what it is - strong. -
Rudy, check pm.
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Thx Mate
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@A.S:
In my personal opinion there is no “me” in Falcon, because the “us” makes it to what it is - strong.
a lot of word - a lot of blaming……
This men brings it finaly to the point. (THX AS )
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@Fighting:
I released the same version you have. without ever having a news.
3 version with correct,: correct city elevations air base ricorrect. tcn, ils checked and correct.
texture , forest, farm new maxi project. soon will be able to assess the result.
and free to share with anyone you want.
the campaign is not my job.
months of work to hear me attack (not right)rudy.
False rudy! Because when you posted screenshots about new tiling I sent you PM, SMS, email etc etc. without reply, probably you just made your decision to continue you work without teamworking. Please don’t make the victim of the situation.
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Agreed, Demo pretty much nailed it on the head gents, good dev teams dont splash thier dirty laundry all over the open forums like this, every dev team has butting heads and differences, they just keep them out of the public eye, FF released what he has been working on, to the excitement of the entire community, and i would have to assume that there will be alot more sets of eyes looking/forming the pieces that are missing into an excellent theater, so lets not take that away and turn this into an ego show here. Their are alot of talented guys both in the FO world and others, so please try and settle this out in a private setting rather then the he said/she said in the open forum.
Me personally i am jacked up because even the wing i am part of has some fantastic developers and i cant wait to see what they do with these tiles, as well as the force on force that im sure the FO guys are madly working on.
Lets remember why we’re here gents, its not the proverbial ‘whip em out’ its the continuation of an excellent product and i hope it can be ironed out between the two sides.
Again FF thank you sir for the release!!
Sorry Drillin it’s not completely true, because we worked on the same project for a lot of time on the same textures, and it’s not first time Rudy use strange behaviour in Falcon world: with this terrain he requested me and Dema to release a first version with L2 porked with a lot of problems on the airfields. When a lot of people in the community posted the problems he whrote :" sorry but this project not worked by myself but by the others".
Regards
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@A.S:
Although i guess i missed the whole picture here, this is not true. Me (and others here i think) could care less when and what he releases or under whos name or in what constelation.
But knowing that he put that much effort into it, it would be nice to see it flourishing as a solid release with an oppertunity for the whole
community to actually enjoy this cool theater on a consistend basis with a consistent plattform, instead of being another great
2 day falcon buzz with a following hangover as seen just too often before.
Actually, it might be even good to release it now, so others can hook up and work on it or support, as i know that it will take another leap in
order to make it solid “granit”, but i am also patient.I think our standpoint is very clear here: FO has no play in this as such, but if they want to evolve and host it one day on a FO server, so the
community can enjoy it together, they are more than welcome.All that other who, me, them, versus…what …lost…hah …hicks…cheers …nonsense is childish, in other words the drama (if there is such a things)
would be waste of time and pointless. In my personal opinion there is no “me” in Falcon, because the “us” makes it to what it is - strong.Canister makes valid points and I see where he’s coming from. Don’t get me wrong I think it’s great the development work your group does and the solid releases and support provided. My only point was that it seemed like everyone was being hard on the guy for releasing some tiles when it shouldn’t have any impact on any new versions of the Balkans. Ideally we would all work together and have the same theater/install to make things easier and more efficient even. However, we all know that doesn’t always work, and in some cases that’s ok. Look at the ITO that Echo created and the BFS Mystic created. They are both fantastic theaters and I like how each has their own flavor (and the same tiles :D).
Fighting Falcon’s work was the genesis of this new Balkans. He was working on the tiles and then several others stepped in to make it even better and a more robust overhaul of the Balkans theater, which again is great. It sounds like that work is continuing and I just felt bad that it seemed like he was being chastised for releasing his tiles… We still have the same Balkans we had yesterday just with beta version of tiles. One could just as easily make the case that releasing them and/or the campaign can help testing on a large scale.
But I apologize for getting invovled since I obviously don’t know all the background… was just going off what I read in this thread. I’ll butt out now :).
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No offense taken… all good man.
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Sorry Drillin it’s not completely true, because we worked on the same project for a lot of time on the same textures, and it’s not first time Rudy use strange behaviour in Falcon world: with this terrain he requested me and Dema to release a first version with L2 porked with a lot of problems on the airfields. When a lot of people in the community posted the problems he whrote :" sorry but this project not worked by myself but by the others".
Regards
D.Oh im not sayi g who worked on what or who did this or that because i have no inside information i think you may have misunderstood my post, everyone here appreciates all work done to provide a better environment for all falconeers, thats all and as stated i hope you guys can get it sorted so that you can continue to create great things going forward.