Turn Performance
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Well acmi indicates oftenly fake peaks like 10gs or more….
I think the first thing is to offer the possibility to reduce time steps… and maybe to record directly Gs is acmi files
At the moment only speeds are sampled then a simplified calculation is used to get Gs during acmi playing…
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Well acmi indicates oftenly fake peaks like 10gs or more….
I think the first thing is to offer the possibility to reduce time steps… and maybe to record directly Gs is acmi files
At the moment only speeds are sampled then a simplified calculation is used to get Gs during acmi playing…
- The “correct” source-data (shown in cockpit instruments: Speed in CAS AND! Mach, AoA, Gs, Altitute, Heading, VS) is ALREDAY INSIDE the game and thus extract-able via memory-export (see cockpit-builders and related apps ie.).
- If it would be possible to extract or use the data from there instead as relyable source and integrate it into the recording (with good interpolation or timing)… then it would be phantastic.
- Additional crucial telemetry, like Turnradius and Turnrate etc., which is NOT available in the cockpit or in sim can be derived (calculated) from that aswell.
Probably a “bit” of coding work, but do you think this approach is do-able?
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@A.S:
- The “correct” source-data (shown in cockpit instruments: Speed in CAS AND! Mach, AoA, Gs, Altitute, Heading, VS) is ALREDAY INSIDE the game and thus extract-able via memory-export (see cockpit-builders and related apps ie.).
- If it would be possible to extract or use the data from there instead as relyable source and integrate it into the recording (with good interpolation or timing)… then it would be phantastic.
- Additional crucial telemetry, like Turnradius and Turnrate etc., which is NOT available in the cockpit or in sim can be derived (calculated) from that aswell.
Probably a “bit” of coding work, but do you think this approach is do-able?
this is exactly what i suggested when i wrote “maybe to record directly Gs is acmi files”
of course it implies some coding but no big deal , this is just a value from airframe pointer
and of course it will make the old ACMI not readable anymore …
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this is exactly what i suggested when i wrote “maybe to record directly Gs is acmi files”
of course it implies some coding but no big deal , this is just a value from airframe pointer
and of course it will make the old ACMI not readable anymore …
However, IF you really accomplish that i will send you a great bottle of vine - as promised and as a personal little “thank you”
Seriously, because THIS is very important for me personally and most likely for many others aswell. -
@A.S:
However, IF you really accomplish that i will send you a great bottle of vine - as promised and as a personal little “thank you”
Seriously, because THIS is very important for me personally and most likely for many others aswell.LOL you realize that his is a 10minutes job on the code right ?
I personnaly enjoy Burgundies, Pommard in particular
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LOL you realize that his is a 10minutes job on the code right ?
I personnaly enjoy Burgundies, Pommard in particular
The better that is
Interested in a very interesting recommendation of mine (a german vine made from grapes collected in winter: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Ice_wine_grapes.jpg/1024px-Ice_wine_grapes.jpg) ? It is actually called “Ice-Vine” … more on the sweeter end.
I know i know …you are french …but its really great.
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@A.S:
The better that is
Interested in a very interesting recommendation of mine (a german vine made from grapes collected in winter: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Ice_wine_grapes.jpg/1024px-Ice_wine_grapes.jpg) ? It is actually called “Ice-Vine” … more on the sweeter end.
I know i know …you are french …but its really great.
We have the same in france as well: gewurtzstraminer vendeanges tardives
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Wine or $$$, where are the moderators ???
Ban the corrupt bastards !!!
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Wine or $$$, where are the moderators ???
Ban the corrupt bastards !!!
Throw the conspiracy-theorist from the roof :uham:
LOL, nothing to do with “bribing”…but a private little “thanks” and appreciation. It really is important to me and this guy already works(-ed) his arse off.
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In my case I was thinking of comparing radius of turn. I don’t even know if VHS/ACMI even shows turn radius in F4.
… but I was trying to get someone excited to try comparing performance charts to sim output. Yes the review tools aren’t perfect but I still want people to feel the charts mean real things and to play with it themselves. That’s all.
You got me interested because I was trying to understand the Falcon 4.0 manual turning chart on page 2-3. Your July 15th, 2014, 18:05 posted got me to the Hellenic Flight Models, which I found very helpful for understanding the charts. TE#4 was to fly at corner speed, but I wanted to try to make a level flight at different mach speeds, so I extracted these points from the Hellenic Turn Performance for 20,000 ft for PS=0.
G Mach
2.2 .4
3.6 .6
5.2 .8
5.8 1.0
6.0 1.2
6.0 1.4
5.5 1.6Falcon BMS does match the charts. Now I understand the charts and also got a feel for how the jet performs according to specs. My turning practice is now more meaningful. Thanks again for putting the Hellenic Flight Manual out here.
jc1
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Never use ACMIs to monitore AC performance because ACMI use interpolation and very simplified computation that can not give you correct parameters
Good point’s your making here Mav. Will their be an updated ACMI viewer that’s more accurate in the near future? or some kind of program that shows accurately the performance of the jet online or offline with no hiccups.
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He is refering to “Tacview” ACMIs - i guess - as the telemetry in that tool is totally “off” and misleading (absurd CAT I limiter results Gs/AoAs, big errors in vertical turnrates etc etc.).
The ingame ACMI (.vhs) data is “useable” (in quotes mind you) to some extent, if frames are math. averaged and it still can serve to spot blatant anomalies (considering one has the ability to reference the data),
BUT overall, the ingame data ain´t that good either, thus the plan/idea to improve it.Those things are known for a very long time anyways, just noone addressed them yet. Both tools were never 100% accurate and only served their purpose if someting was really blatantly “off” (“lags” excluded).