Saitek X-52 Profile
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Thanks for bearing with me here, I am getting a bit flustered so don’t take any of this personally…
So you did understand it the first time ….
The keyfile translates the keystroke to a command in BMS; Saitek ‘pushes’ the key, the keyfile translates it. That’s “the point of all this keyfiles stuff” … the functionality is NOT ‘already there’.
I seem to be missing something big here , because from where I sit it is most certainly there. And has been for some time - I mean the whole point of the software is to say "Ok I want Fire button A to mean: (and this is a goofy example) Drop the landing gear, shoot off some flares and turn on external lights. You could always do that with just the profile editor - all this key file stuff appears to do is list every key in the game as not assigned, leaving me either guessing or constantly alt-tabbing out to look at other files.
Where is the sense in that? And what advantage does this have? So far its been nothing but confusing,
Have you found yet how to do basic changes to the keyfile via the BMS–>SETUP–>CONTROLLER screen? If so, you’re re-mapping your current keyfile there; the references below are a more ‘advanced’ look at re-mapping the keyfiles. If not:
To the keyfile? I dont see anything that relates to the keyfile when I go into setup – > controller. I see a list of commands and most of them say “No key assigned” on the left and on the right some thing like “HOTAS TMS UP”. Even if I try to map something here nothing happens, its like its read only or something.
First video, doesnt help me as I do not have a Cougar.
Second one - now we are getting somewhere! That is in fact one of the videos I have been trying to use for training - and the main reason I am asking these questions. Whenever the guy says something like “Hit backspace for AG mode” (which Falcon has been using for as long as I remember), in my game nothing happens. Or hit “S” for steer point, again, I dont see the SP change but something may have happened. Also with uncage - U doesnt uncage anything, and since everything in the profile editor is blank I have no clue what it really does anymore.
I finally gave up around the time I got to the Maverick section at 55:15 , because as soon as I manage to get AG mode up all I see is two MFds that both say “Blank”. I can click some of the OSBs and get some things to show up, but they are nowhere near what that video shows. I power on the mavs but if I switch to VIS as suggested in the video I dont see the same thing, it actually looks like it returns to AA mode.
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No worries. It IS confusing starting out, but in the long run, it’s better than it used to be.
…. To the keyfile? I dont see anything that relates to the keyfile when I go into setup – > controller. I see a list of commands and most of them say “No key assigned” on the left and on the right some thing like “HOTAS TMS UP”. Even if I try to map something here nothing happens, its like its read only or something. …
That IS the keyfile …. this:
In my case it is the Flounder X52 Pro v3 keyfile. The actual text document BMS uses is in this folder: C:\Falcon BMS 4.32\User\Config[[I]keyfilename].key. You can make changes in BMS SETUP–>CONTROLLERS or in the keyfile document itself (it opens with notepad or any text editor).
Let me ask you this: Do you want to start with a pre-made HOTAS profile (like Hard~Decks or KesMonkeys)? OR, do you want to build your own from scratch?
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Maybe this is better?
Edit:
You may find this generally useful as well:
Short answer (if I understand your question) is no.
The Tanit Tutorial videos on YouTube are the closething and they are, for the most part, systems based. Which assume you know how to install, setup, etc.
There is a thread on running the install. There are a variety of threads on various joystick/HOTAS profiles.
Maybe, in general, the best ‘starter resource’ is Arty’s Hot List: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?13653-Arty-s-Hot-List
Edit:
Here are some videos to start with:
Falcon BMS 4.32 - Install to Combat Ready in 1 Hour (Tutorial):
BMS Falcon 4 Ramp Start Guide Part 1:
BMS Falcon 4 Ramp Start Guide Part 2:
BMS Falcon4 Ramp Start Guide Part 3:
Falcon 4 BMS Tutorials: Controls and Data Cartridge:
Falcon 4 BMS Tutorial: Taxi and Takeoff:
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Excellent, I got it working! Turns out I had the wrong keyfile loaded (eep) and everything is going as it should. Getting used to this profile, I like the different modes for trim, eject, etc. Very well laid out.
Still got some reading and watching to do but just wanted to say thanks for getting me pointed in the right direction!
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Ok now that everything is working I have one more question:
The second detent on the trigger on my X52 doesn’t work. For whatever reason it just….stopped. Doesn’t work anywhere (control panel, etc) so it must be mechanical. Meh.
So I need to change the mapping on the trigger from Brakes to Gun, ideally would like to put the brakes in Mode 3 or something, maybe pinky switch. I am at a loss on how to change mappings since nothing is tied to the SST software - how can I do this?
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Ok now that everything is working I have one more question:
The second detent on the trigger on my X52 doesn’t work. For whatever reason it just….stopped. Doesn’t work anywhere (control panel, etc) so it must be mechanical. Meh.
So I need to change the mapping on the trigger from Brakes to Gun, ideally would like to put the brakes in Mode 3 or something, maybe pinky switch. I am at a loss on how to change mappings since nothing is tied to the SST software - how can I do this?
Can you copy and post a copy of your keyfile? When you post, paste the file between the # ‘code’ tags …. like so:
test
If I can see your keyfile, I might be able to give you the correct command lines to swap/change/replace.
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Can you copy and post a copy of your keyfile? When you post, paste the file between the # ‘code’ tags …. like so:
test
If I can see your keyfile, I might be able to give you the correct command lines to swap/change/replace.
I actually sort of figured this out, but I may have somehow broke the profile in the process because now everytime I load it my CPU usage shoots up to 50% and I get random blue screens:
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Definitely not normal. I loaded HD’s profile for the X52 pro and only got, about, a 0% - 3% difference in CPU use.
I didn’t realize you’d settled on HD’s profile. I might have been able to give a better answer earlier …. just didn’t realize.
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Think I may have found it - I unprogrammed the Speed Brakes from the slider and the CPU usage appears to have dropped to almost nothing - will keep an eye on it.
Wonder why that would cause a spike?
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Think I may have found it - I unprogrammed the Speed Brakes from the slider and the CPU usage appears to have dropped to almost nothing - will keep an eye on it.
Wonder why that would cause a spike?
The slider is notoriously ‘spikey’. You can see it jitter in the windows/game controller panel. Maybe it was ‘on’/spiking continuously and using up CPU cycles?
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I think was designed with track-ir in mind after looking at HD’s controller and stick diagram. Correct? I do not have track-ir so no use. Right? Unless I reassign the POV1 for viewing around in the cockpit. But that I guess takes away from his design.
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I think was designed with track-ir in mind after looking at HD’s controller and stick diagram. Correct? I do not have track-ir so no use. Right? Unless I reassign the POV1 for viewing around in the cockpit. But that I guess takes away from his design.
I worked with Hard~Deck to do exactly that before I had TrackIR. Although not well documented (sorry about that; I didn’t really expect to share it), the version for no TrackIR is available (to use as is, or as a baseline to modify for personal preference).
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Thank u Agave_Blue. It is Saturday, and I a some time to view the opportunity you presented in your last message on the 4th. I appreciate your efforts and time spent providing the link above. I am now going to click it.
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Just wondering if anyone has taken the time to update this profile keyfile for BMS 4.33 yet and would like to share it?
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There seems to be a lot of functions that are not working correctly using this file on 4.33. I used this on 4.32 and it was by far my favorite layout.
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I have a question for anyone happens to see it please help!
Is there any tutorial or pdf that has all the button names and what exactly they do?
So that I can have a reference not only on their location on the keyboard or Joystick but also on their actual functionality?Thanx alot!
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Click on the Documentation and Manuals link after opening Launcher, look:
Then go to Key Files & Input\Keyboard Layout Files folder and open BMS Keyboard Layout (US Int).pdf
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The file doesn’t appear to be present any longer on firstfighterwing.com
Also will it work for both pro and non pro x52?Thanks!
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Hey Hard~Deck may I ask you about something?
I own a x52 and I’m trying to do what you did, I am pretty sure you mapped the keys in x52 with the Profiler ?? Because for me the Profiler doesn’t seem to work ://
What happens is, when I load any profile and I run any game, after 5 minutes or so, I lose control of my Joystick … but then when I unload all profiles and not using the profiler anymore… I get it to work flawlessly, no loose of any control, everything runs just fine (only problem is that I can’t map multiple profile, or use pinky switch as a shift function…) what am I doing wrong? -
I worked with Hard~Deck to do exactly that before I had TrackIR. Although not well documented (sorry about that; I didn’t really expect to share it), the version for no TrackIR is available (to use as is, or as a baseline to modify for personal preference).
The file doesn’t appear to be present any longer on firstfighterwing.com
Also will it work for both pro and non pro x52?Thanks!
Just realized I didn’t specify which file I was talking about.