Why I can't detect enemy fighters at the AWACS requesting location?
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It’s interesting I can’t detect enemy fighters at the AWACS requesting location.
AWACS asked me to shoot down Mig-19s at bullyseye 165 50 1700ft. I scanned the area I couldn’t find them.
My wingman found and attacked one of them. I keep scanning the area from the bottom to the middle. But still couldn’t detect them.
My Radar mode was RWR when I had the trouble.
I was flying 26,000ft. Is this a bug or my fault I am not good at scanning? -
think of your radar as a beam that originates from the nose of your aircraft. if you are at angels 26, and they are at angels 19, they could be under the “beam” and thus be “undetectable” your radar will only pick them up if they are somewhere in the beam, and at close range the beam is very narrow. it expands as it travels from your jet.
bind “radar-antenna up” and “radar-antenna down” which will allow you to adjust where it’s pointing. with that, you can for instance at medium range (assuming you are at angels 20) see up to angels 30, and down to angels 10, or if you tilt down, down to 0, and up to 10, or up to 40 and down to 30 (just as an example)
if your wingman is engaging something, they must actually be there. in conclusion, basically yes you are bad at scanning.
though that’s an easy mistake to make. don’t worry about it.
also, do you understand how bullseye works? did you actually navigate to bullseye 165 50 miles?
edit: also, your radar cursor displays it’s maximum/minimum visible altitude at cursor position on the right of the cursor itself. those will be two two digit numbers, one teal on your FCR. if the lower number reads “21” and the MIGs are at angels 19, you won’t be able to see them as long as they are under your cursor. if they are above the cursor (and thus, farther from the jet) you might be able to see them depending on how much farther they are from your radome.
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@Cik:
think of your radar as a beam that originates from the nose of your aircraft. if you are at angels 26, and they are at angels 19, they could be under the “beam” and thus be “undetectable” your radar will only pick them up if they are somewhere in the beam, and at close range the beam is very narrow. it expands as it travels from your jet.
bind “radar-antenna up” and “radar-antenna down” which will allow you to adjust where it’s pointing. with that, you can for instance at medium range (assuming you are at angels 20) see up to angels 30, and down to angels 10, or if you tilt down, down to 0, and up to 10, or up to 40 and down to 30 (just as an example)
if your wingman is engaging something, they must actually be there. in conclusion, basically yes you are bad at scanning.
though that’s an easy mistake to make. don’t worry about it.
also, do you understand how bullseye works? did you actually navigate to bullseye 165 50 miles?
edit: also, your radar cursor displays it’s maximum/minimum visible altitude at cursor position on the right of the cursor itself. those will be two two digit numbers, one teal on your FCR. if the lower number reads “21” and the MIGs are at angels 19, you won’t be able to see them as long as they are under your cursor. if they are above the cursor (and thus, farther from the jet) you might be able to see them depending on how much farther they are from your radome.
Uhmm,
Bstar07 has been around for a long time. He knows about radar elevations. I too will point my radar (slew elevations up and down) looking for a contact AWAC’s has assigned and my radar see’s nothing until I am almost on top of them (within 20nm). The AI shouts out the contact at well over 30nm. It is something I have noticed myself. It does not happen all the time, but sometimes. A bug maybe?
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maybe. could be an agg/deagg problem, but i don’t think i’ve ever had it. i can always spot anything called out by AWACS (whether by the autocall if you’re a sweep, or the “vector nearest threat” key well in advance, usually at ~40 miles.
not sure if any further out than that though. i usually set radar filter at 40 unless i’m searching a wide area for some incoming SU-27/30 or whatever.
edit: might be a problem in particular with MIG-19, which might deagg differently from more advanced aircraft with longer range weapons, though i can’t remember it ever happening
who knows
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Mig-19s at bullyseye 165 50 1700ft. …
I was flying 26,000ft.Was it really 1700ft or is that a typing error and u meant 17000ft?
If it was really 1700ft then I would say the ground reflection was perhaps to strong.
What was your distance to the target? -
Uhmm,
Bstar07 has been around for a long time. He knows about radar elevations. I too will point my radar (slew elevations up and down) looking for a contact AWAC’s has assigned and my radar see’s nothing until I am almost on top of them (within 20nm). The AI shouts out the contact at well over 30nm. It is something I have noticed myself. It does not happen all the time, but sometimes. A bug maybe?
Yes, you are right. I have played BMS for a long time. But I haven’t played BMS often. I might forget to manage radar.
I know how to elevate radar beam. Please let me know what I could miss while detecting bandits. I will play the same sweep mission again. Well. I will read BMS manual befoe playing it again. -
if you are too high above them they can blend into ground clutter, though in my experience this doesn’t happen until the gulf in altitudes gets really high. then again, MIG-19s might be harder to detect due to small RCS (just a guess)
otherwise the game could just be broken.
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I played the same mission again and realized I was scanning wrong place, on the ground.
I forgot radar handling since I haven’t played sweep missions for a while. just kept BARCAP or striking missions.
I had no problem to detect bandits this time. But AWACS kept asking us to hit Migs. But couldn’t detect them. But no altitude was given. just gave me bearing and distance.
Where are they? They are parked on a taxi. Should I carry A-G weponse for sweep mission? Stupid AWCAS! -
Should I carry A-G weponse for sweep mission?
Ah yes, the elusive ground AMRAAM
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A bunch of Mavericks might work out for any helo’s approaching your CAP area- sometimes, even LGB’s work
By the time you slew your cursor over the area given by AWACS, the contact might have changed altitude. Also, the MiG-19 is rather small and might show up later.
You might try LRS/ULS to find such smaller contacts by trading off scanning speed vs. detection range. -
I played the same mission again and realized I was scanning wrong place, on the ground.
I forgot radar handling since I haven’t played sweep missions for a while. just kept BARCAP or striking missions.
I had no problem to detect bandits this time. But AWACS kept asking us to hit Migs. But couldn’t detect them. But no altitude was given. just gave me bearing and distance.
Where are they? They are parked on a taxi. Should I carry A-G weponse for sweep mission? Stupid AWCAS!Yep,
It is possible that the contacts are below 1,000ft. So AWAC may see them, but you would have to get very low in order to see them. That has happened to me as well, but when I get very low (less than 500ft), I can see them. -
Does BMS ground mode radar detect parked aircrafts or taxiing aircrafts?
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Does BMS ground mode radar detect parked aircrafts or taxiing aircrafts?
Good question. Since the ground radar is not used much anymore (as another thread pointed out) it would be cool to implement that. But, since parked aircraft (ground objects) take up assets, the more likely this sort of thing may not be possible.