Real Spanish Eurofighter solo display in BMS
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Obviously depends on the atmosphere at the moment of flying. With stable day it could aprox. When you fly low level or high speed in a good day the FAM is not dancing all time as you can think.
I will try to upload some video when I flew the Mirage F-1 showing this thing. Sorry but by the moment I can not upload typhoon HUD videos for obvious reasons. -
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Ok. I will accept that you have flown a lot of real fighters like me and you know exactly what you are talking about. No problem. You are right man. Some day I will show you a real Eurofighter HUD video and you will compare the real Eurofighter arcade FM with all things you think.
It’s logical if you compare a Viper generation fighter class FM with last generation fighter class FM.
I will invite you to have a flight in Eurofighter but…
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Ok. I will accept that you have flown a lot of real fighters like me and you know exactly what you are talking about. No problem. You are right man. Some day I will show you a real Eurofighter HUD video and you will compare the real Eurofighter arcade FM with all things you think.
It’s logical if you compare a Viper generation fighter class FM with last generation fighter class FM.
I will invite you to have a flight in Eurofighter but…
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Ok. I will accept that you have flown a lot of real fighters like me and you know exactly what you are talking about.
Hi Chichowalker,
Mav-jp is not doubting your abilities as a pilot. He is only letting you know that aircraft in BMS that use OFM (original flight models) are “scripted” and do not react to input using real vector computations. The only aircraft that uses true flight modeling are those that use AFM (advanced flight model). The reason Mav-jp knows this is because he is the aeronautical engineer that designed the AFM.
-Cheers.
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No problem. I’m not agree with the comparison between OFM, AFM and real Typhoon FM. We are not talking about abilities. I’m giving my opinion as a pilot with my experience. That’s all.
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Nice flying there,
gonna track this thread because of interesting discussion.
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Look at this :
…What is funny is that the soundtrack of this video is totally fake… not recorded in EF2000 but inside Alpha Jet
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Hi everyone,
If you want to compare real flying with BMS (maybe if you have a full functional pit with G-Seat and a nice 3D-Screnn setup), you still can’t shut down the engine on the taxi way
And by the way, nice flying in the video
Fly Safe,
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I think you dont get it. it is not a question of managing turbulences or whatever atmoshperic stuff…
Whatever the efficiency of the EF2000 FLCS to keep the AC as stable as possible…the Falcon4 OFM code is absolutly not capable of managing Yaw movements nor Inertia, nor ANY coupling . (there is simply no code support for real mechanics parameters) . I think you just dont realize how OFM is arcade.
Therefore OFM is extremly simple to fly and CAN NOT in any case be representative of any real Aircraft, this is why it is easy to be precise with it
Uffff
Im agree with you about FM and I agree with you that OFM is arcade. I know perfectly.
First, show me that you know real Eurofighter FLCS. I think you dont.
Second, Im not a engineer , just fighter pilot. I just compare some real maneuvers with maneuvers in BMS taking into acount speed, energy lost, roll rate, climb rate, aceleration, deceleration, stabilty in level flight, low speed flying, sustained turn, pitch rate, inverted flight, etc, etc. If I can do it like in real life and I can say that simulated typhoon is close to Real one in some aspects. Its arcade, yes. Its easy to fly OFM than AFM, yes. Thats the cuestion. Other things, I dont care.
Congratulations for your developmemts with AFM, is a good thing for our sim. I used to fly the viper here in BMS and I love the FM. In this topic I dont care all the things you are saying about zero inertia, zero couplings and so on because Im not here to analyse that. That is test pilots job. I just fly and maneuver the aircraft.I will fly as closer as possible the display with the limited viper and will show you how to fly with your nice AFM.
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Weak? Lol Lol lol lol
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I would love to make an AFM for ef2000
Provide me flcs logigram with performance chart and wind tunnel testing and i will do it
Btw i think the ef2000 demo is weak , like the rafale demo is weak….they dont show too much. I prefer demos like f16 or m2k or su27 where they push the machine
F22 demo is nicer
M2KC alpha display was indeed very impressive. Wing curvature during high G turns was almost scary for a delta wing…
But I disagree with you on the Rafale, while it packs less punch than the 2KC, it’s still one of the most powerful demo around. Canard/TVC Su-30 demos are technically impressive but rather slow.I can’t talk about the Spanish EF demo which I have never seen (both on video or real), but the British EF demo during AIR14 was indeed weaker (as a spectator, as JP said) than the RSD one, IMHO (you can easily find the RTS AIR14 videos on youtube).
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I wonder… is the “weak” display’s purpose to limit the development of foreign intelligence on a given type? Sure the old MiG and Su displays were there to frighten the West, but with most of us be here IN the West, the idea might be to keep foreign intel guessing. This might be a good idea, as weak budgets and high prices keep the fleets of super-fighters rather small.
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Not sure if you were sitting in the cockpit one would still say weak … there is a good reason why engineers and pilots can,t understand each other, one talks about flying and the other one flies, two different world but fully necessary to get the whole picture of flying.
Typical loool