On the SAAB Gripen
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those are beautiful renders, this forum has a limit otherwise I’dpost some really nice ones for you guys of Brazilian export prospective purchase demos pumping flares and pulling massive g’s about 300 feet above the frozen seas
also in just doing a lot of research inspired by the devs enthusiasm and willingness to pump time and effort into something we all love and care about, I’ve listened to a lot of audio of the gripen’s power train and test phase, as well as pilot testimony and feedback…it kind of, whistles, it has a very high pitched whine to it, it is very unique, spend sometime listening to a gripen it is as unique and telltale as the tomcat growl…
it kind of whinnies. it would be nice to get a custom sound map in there eventually, or to tweak the existing one . At high cruising altitude it sounds very hollow, like you’ve got a window open, it’s hard to describe, I’ve read this is partly because of the low drag co efficient, it produces all these unique aural effects. Like I said, this is a very interesting aircraft, one up until now I had neglected more than cursory attention as I am not Swedish and I do not eat Swedish pancakes for breakfast.
The super cruise is very bass.also, for the internet prone, there is about 7 to 8 years of swedish hot shits pulling .1nm finals and stopping on a dime from air shows all over the world on youtube if you are so inclined.
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I was lucky enough to see / hear the Gripen solo demo at Leeuwarden 2016… really impressive. It looked like you could actually see the sound wave moving the leaves of the trees before it hit you in the chest (and the ears :D)
Uwe
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I was lucky enough to see / hear the Gripen solo demo at Leeuwarden 2016… really impressive. It looked like you could actually see the sound wave moving the leaves of the trees before it hit you in the chest (and the ears :D)
Uwe
Pure poetry… technically speaking, Uwe
With best regards,
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so today i got into the dirt: i analysed and synthesized everything about the investigations into bribery i could find…
my opinion based on reductive logic is stated thus: this plane is so cheap over time and so low maintenance, the price would be inflated so that the middle (politicians and lobbyists in domestic environs) could take off the top. The biggest holdup in export of the gripen is it’s relatively small size and cost.
It’s the f16 and the airforce brass all over again.
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they took about 7 inches of the length, but this ends up being the modular assembly, its more important that these parts weigh less. the way the intake and fuel pump are gated is the biggest difference in the actual manufacturing of the engine, in performance terms the biggest difference is that this engine was short geared in a sense for a light weight fighter not a big maritime lady of the navy and it’s performance at low altitudes to fit the requirement of the contract was the biggest area of tuning from the literature I’ve digested.
I mean guys listen, the empty hornet weighs 23,000 lbs, I don’t know if you realize that a loaded gripen on average weighs 17000lbs with two tanks.
When I was working in AB Controls at GE my boss was working on the 14 inch extension to put the F110 series into the Tomcat…when you shorten or lengthen the AB duct and distance to the nozzle it gets a bit more complicated than what you describe. And I’ve never heard the term “gating” or “short geared”…the intake is the airframer’s biz - they specify inlet conditions and engine maker develops a thermal cycle to meet thrust requirements - usually mil power, then add AB. I again think the Gripen gets the “economy” it does chiefly from it’s light weight, and features inherent in canard airframe configuration.
All GE engines are modular, so that’s no surprise - there used to be a GE engine overhaul facility at ONT airport, and I spent some time there tearing engines down and putting the back together…or supervising such, really. That was fun…and educational.
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I was lucky enough to see / hear the Gripen solo demo at Leeuwarden 2016… really impressive. It looked like you could actually see the sound wave moving the leaves of the trees before it hit you in the chest (and the ears :D)
Uwe
…way cool!
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Here’s a pic from the Leeuwarden demo one of my VFW squad mates took:
Makes for a great desktop backdrop as well
Uwe
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I’m going to leave a runner of anything I feel needs attention. I’ve spoken with Ned and Gavin, this is more of a cork board.
The Gripen is the backbone of the scandinavian airforces, and the current fruit of their engineers, it is only right and fitting that the jet should get the same treatment as the theater itself, as it should be the heavy lifter in these scenarios.
All versions of the gripen A were outfitted with FLIR. All have a thrust reverser, to assist with the STOL ability, a loaded for bearing GRIPEN can be from dead stop to wheels up in 800M. According to the swedish press, the gripen can achieve mach one with no burner 300 ASL less than 10km from wheels up.
These are the qualities of this plane, advanced onboard EWS, low level low heat high acceleration (to avoid soviet era and russian IADS), an electronically gated fuel pump, that will allow a pilot as much freedom while calculating a homeplate reserve (the best way to do this in falcon is to restrict full burner fuel usage to no more than 4.0kgs a second at full burner.) The swedish ordered a modern lightweight turn fighter that has low maintenance and high reusability/ flight economy. the jet can respond defensively at high speeds and low altitudes to a variety of threat environments.
Low level low fuel consumption acceleration is the hallmark of this puppy.
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Gripen never had integrated FLIR, never had thrust reverser…
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Here’s a pic from the Leeuwarden demo one of my VFW squad mates took:
http://i.imgur.com/1vzfL3r.png
Makes for a great desktop backdrop as well
Uwe
Great pic this yours, dear Uwe. Thanks for sharing!
Only a pity that they didn’t caught me snipering at it :lol:
Well worth though to been developed at its best, just seeming to be a nice birdie.
And testing it was a real fun to me, can’t await to have one more ride sooner - I promise.With best regards,
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Gripen never had integrated FLIR, never had thrust reverser…
Stopping within 800 m is not uniqe with light config even F-16CJ can do it…I’m going to stick with the SAAB publications for their aircraft. This is readily available from them. I’m not in a position to argue with someone who thinks they know better than the manufacturer . FLIR and TFR through the rafale pod as well as integrated in the E and G are some of the first bullet points . The thrust reverser isn’t a true reverser, it’s a function of the intake, almost like a retro blowblack effect.
Stevie, Volvo states on the rm12" we’ve tuned the performance to give better thrust at high atmospheric pressures, close to the ground or the sea" , they also make heavy reference to using lighter more cost effective parts and getting about another 10 kNs out of the burner. Maybe of interest to some but all gripens build moving forward will have a new engine, another version of the 404-400 is being built as I type by the cartel that picked up Volvo and an aerospace consortium that bid for the data mining made up of BAE the remnants of the gripen export division and more than likely skunk and phantom. The swedes think this will finally tip the scales, will push the gripen into carrier and more than likely be fitted on a larger as of yet to be seen “super” gripen, maybe even a twin engine.
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I’m going to stick with the SAAB publications for their aircraft. This is readily available from them. I’m not in a position to argue with someone who thinks they know better than the manufacturer . FLIR and TFR through the rafale pod as well as integrated in the E and G are some of the first bullet points . The thrust reverser isn’t a true reverser, it’s a function of the intake, almost like a retro blowblack effect.
Stevie, Volvo states on the rm12" we’ve tuned the performance to give better thrust at high atmospheric pressures, close to the ground or the sea" , they also make heavy reference to using lighter more cost effective parts and getting about another 10 kNs out of the burner. Maybe of interest to some but all gripens build moving forward will have a new engine, another version of the 404-400 is being built as I type by the cartel that picked up Volvo and an aerospace consortium that bid for the data mining made up of BAE the remnants of the gripen export division and more than likely skunk and phantom. The swedes think this will finally tip the scales, will push the gripen into carrier and more than likely be fitted on a larger as of yet to be seen “super” gripen, maybe even a twin engine.
What publications…???
Pls. show me images Gripens is service with FLIR…
TFR is also not integrated for Gripen. Never was.
Is not any kind of reverser…I have no idea what is the point is the thread and posting such laugable statements…
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this always happens, sigh;
there is a publicly available book available published by the Swedish air defense services, there is an export documentation prospectus package that is available with a payment to SAAB and clearance through Sweden ministry of defense, it is readily available most likely in a library if you are Swedish. My other sources are controlled, as I have stated multiple times in various instances, I work in hardware, as well as consulting, and have done for the past 15+ years. To think I would post that is highly telling of just how hard you are actually reading, and shows you are simply here to argue. I’m not in the position to argue with someone who will very lazily ask someone to post sources and walk them through the gnosis of learning with zero effort whatsoever, and I am trying to keep this on topic. I don’t want to be seen as attacking anyone, but like I said , there are readily available ones in English, I was able to access scanned hard copies because of what I do. The book I referenced is published by the Swedish air defense in cooperation with SAAB and the aforementioned export consortium I mentioned. If you really want it, walk to the library, and read it. I’m not in the position to learn, nor are you asking question in an academic way. if you’d of done a very cursory SEO you’d of found it yourself. If you think this response is uncalled for, I guess we have different educational lineages, I was never rewarded for laziness, synthesis and analysis is the fruit of research.
So, to play the game you seem to wish, which I will remind you is not the Oxford school of debate, what refrences CAN you cite to show that gripen’s do not have FLIR?
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Very well, Gentlemen.
And now, after you both have clarified your own high respectful point of view the question, what about to quit the OT and go back to work?
With best regards to all,
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this always happens, sigh;
there is a publicly available book available published by the Swedish air defense services, there is an export documentation prospectus package that is available with a payment to SAAB and clearance through Sweden ministry of defense, it is readily available most likely in a library if you are Swedish. My other sources are controlled, as I have stated multiple times in various instances, I work in hardware, as well as consulting, and have done for the past 15+ years. To think I would post that is highly telling of just how hard you are actually reading, and shows you are simply here to argue. I’m not in the position to argue with someone who will very lazily ask someone to post sources and walk them through the gnosis of learning with zero effort whatsoever, and I am trying to keep this on topic. I don’t want to be seen as attacking anyone, but like I said , there are readily available ones in English, I was able to access scanned hard copies because of what I do. The book I referenced is published by the Swedish air defense in cooperation with SAAB and the aforementioned export consortium I mentioned. If you really want it, walk to the library, and read it. I’m not in the position to learn, nor are you asking question in an academic way. if you’d of done a very cursory SEO you’d of found it yourself. If you think this response is uncalled for, I guess we have different educational lineages, I was never rewarded for laziness, synthesis and analysis is the fruit of research.
So, to play the game you seem to wish, which I will remind you is not the Oxford school of debate, what refrences CAN you cite to show that gripen’s do not have FLIR?
Enough with your pissing contests and your bragging around
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Oh well, Molni is Hungarian and not enthousiastic about his country’s choice for the Gripen.
And about FLIR:
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Equally
As always in aviation, the situation is dynamic. Some picture might be mockup of a not even in service demonstrator
From what I could quickly check; the only gripen with integrated FLIR is the Gripen E, which is not even in service today
(and has the FLIR on the opposite sideof that picture Snail)
Previous version of the gripen do need to load a FLIR pod if they want that capabilitySo there is no point trying to enforce your own vision of the thruth.
Thruth is only valid at a certain time and discussion like this one in the vague are just pissing contest we do not want to see here.
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You’re right Red Dog, I guess both are right: the C/D versions need a Litening pod for FLIR and the E/F versions aren’t in active service yet.
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Oh well, Molni is Hungarian and not enthousiastic about his country’s choice for the Gripen.
And about FLIR:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-13QigjaWREg/T6Lkcy_VZLI/AAAAAAAAAG8/Duw_HcpVjuM/s1600/ir-otis3.jpgNope, is nothing about that. Operational Gripens do not have FLIR, IRST or any IR seeker, now even MAWS. Period.
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red dog, you are in the business of escalating things by telling everyone to shut up, did you ever notice how well that works? Let’s peruse the graveyard of dead talent and artists around your community for evidence.
I’m first party, I’ve got a pass that lets me into a building in burbank you’d kill to get into. If my expertise and knowledge is unwanted, if this is the par for the execution of the community, I’ll gladly slide back into plausibile deniability, it’s what I’m trained to do.
Did you get any moderator training? pouring gasoline on a fire is not an effective means of extinguishing it. If you want, I’ll give you my physical address to my office, when I’m back in country I’ll bring you over for a little consultation. More than likely you’ll just delete this, and slide back into your hole of plausible authority based on an argument from it.
laughable, at best.
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shoot the messenger