Turning off EEGS funnel but keeping dot of death on?
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In the following video featuring an F-16 vs. a MiG-29, I see that the F-16 pilot is able to turn off and on the EEGS funnel while keeping the dot of death still on. I sniffed around and couldn’t figure out if this was possible in BMS. Is it?
I am assuming it is some sort of declutter option, but maybe there is a special switch to perform this functionality? I like the idea of decluttering the HUD by temporarily removing the funnel while still maintaining the kill reference. Any help is appreciated!
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Is this just the pipper transitioning between EEGS levels (EEGS Level III to EEGS Level V, for example)?
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I think it declutters when the first trigger detent is pulled, but I honestly do not know how to do it in BMS.
It looks like the funnel gets back when he releases the trigger.
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It is relevant to the distance when the cue pipper is locked. The second cue is the projected gun shot. The funnel is still there, but the distance is very close, so the funnel declutters like TobiaA stated. At least that is what I see and know from the current EEGS system.
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Keep in mind that the video shown is very old, so the EEGS shown in the video may or may nor be in use. Depending on the F-16 version, year, etc. I will look around see if I can find more info.
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It has to be a few years old since the MiG-29 in the german airforce got retired in 2004. The MiG-29’s were then “sold” to poland for 1€ per plane which then overhauled them. In total, 9 MiG-29 were remaining.
The german MiG-29’s were replaced by the eurofighter.So, the video is made before 2004 if the description is correct.
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Is this just the pipper transitioning between EEGS levels (EEGS Level III to EEGS Level V, for example)?
Its not. The only EEGS level to omit the funnel is level I.
Not declutterable on newer F-16s, but this tape is obviously older than what you get in falcon anyway.
Would be pretty cool to have stuff like this sort of HUD, but I can see it being a nightmare to implement correctly.
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Is this just the pipper transitioning between EEGS levels (EEGS Level III to EEGS Level V, for example)?
That’s what I see. When EEGS has a Level V tracking shot solution it declutters the funnel. When the target maneuvers the funnel comes back.
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Keep in mind that the video shown is very old, so the EEGS shown in the video may or may nor be in use. Depending on the F-16 version, year, etc. I will look around see if I can find more info.
Yeah,
The newer EEGS probably doesn’t do that. My bad for saying that for the latest EEGS system. -
The funnel dose not blank out .What your seeing is the video footage from the AVTR and not the actual HUD footage. The AVTR blanks out the funnel .
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Depending on the tape version, some AVTR’s will record the funnel. -
Yeah,
The newer EEGS probably doesn’t do that. My bad for saying that for the latest EEGS system.Sorry, I was not directing my post at you jhook, but to the thread as a general comment.
By the way, talking about the thread, I have been looking but have found no information about changing EEGS symbology, or pilot options to change EEGS symbology. I do believe that BMS has it very good modeled and I have no way to explain the EEGS shown in the video beyond what you guys have posted.
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Well lets say its close. Some errors here and there. For example and staying on the subject of the EEGS funnel ,the real funnel responds to the maneuvers of a FCR tracked target and is parallel to the target’s POM. Not the POM of your jet. (plane of motion)
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The funnel does not use the FCR. It is render by using the shooter’s POM and g’s for the target’s POM/g’s. For it to work accurate, both the shooter and the target must be in the same POM, at the same g’s, and the target is ranged by the wingspan in the funnel.
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You sure ?
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The Multi Command(?) manual has a good description of EEGS levels.
I didn’t see level 4 EEGS in the video. That has the +9g and 0g pippers. Target g’s is the last spec that is computed and then the dead dot is rendered.
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I’m confused.
I’m clearly talking about EEGS level 4/5, Incase you missed it ill repeat "the real funnel responds to the maneuvers of a FCR TRACKED TARGET "You talking about level 2 ?
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I don’t think the funnel is upgraded by the FCR. If it was the death dot would always be inside the funnel.
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Well I wont say " I think"
All I will say is
Level 2 funnel - GUN POM
Level 3 Funnel TGT POM -
things change.
What you are saying is somebody photoshoped this old video?
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The video is showing EXACTLY what I’m saying, unlike BMS where in both situations the funnel follows the GUN POM
With no lock , the funnel follows GUN POM
With lock the funnel follows TGT POM
