Help with maverick boresight
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While practicing this, can’t help hearing myself say “Thank God for the China Hat in the A-10C.” China hat fwd long slaves all sensors to spi. Perhaps later Blocks of the F-16 have a similar Hotas function(of course without the China)?
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While practicing this, can’t help hearing myself say “Thank God for the China Hat in the A-10C.” China hat fwd long slaves all sensors to spi. Perhaps later Blocks of the F-16 have a similar Hotas function(of course without the China)?
The A-10C in DCS does not model boresight error. In the F-16, in PRE, the mav is slaved to the SPI except if moved manually, and getting back to the SPI is done with TMS Down. So the ‘slave all to spi’ is the default state
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So the MAV has now become a stand off weapon with a range of perhaps 5nm in 4.34 rather than the 10 to 12nm range in 4.33 or am I missing something?
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While practicing this, can’t help hearing myself say “Thank God for the China Hat in the A-10C.” China hat fwd long slaves all sensors to spi. Perhaps later Blocks of the F-16 have a similar Hotas function(of course without the China)?
F-16 is even easier than A-10. Just point track TGP and missile is ready to fire. A-10 is more laborsome by comparison. All the work in F-16 is due to preparation efforts. Have you done A-10 missile calibration routine? It’s annoying and no one does it because there is no alignment error in DCS to begin with.
So the MAV has now become a stand off weapon with a range of perhaps 5nm in 4.34 rather than the 10 to 12nm range in 4.33 or am I missing something?
I haven’t noticed any significant difference in ranges by BMS version. Usually tracking distance is limiting factor but big fat target in good weather you can track out to kinematic range limit.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but in 4.34 You can lock up a target using the TGP at longer range (>20nm) and just keep flying closer until WPN locks automatically (assuming boresight done correctly). This is because 4.34 handoff does not time out. I’m not sure if this is realistic but very useful. But after hearing that RL pilot talk about MAV visual employment I’ll need to try that with VIS mode.
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Wow 4.34 handoff doesn’t time out? That I have to check out.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but in 4.34 You can lock up a target using the TGP at longer range (>20nm) and just keep flying closer until WPN locks automatically (assuming boresight done correctly). This is because 4.34 handoff does not time out. I’m not sure if this is realistic but very useful. But after hearing that RL pilot talk about MAV visual employment I’ll need to try that with VIS mode.
I tested handoff and come to think of it, I was also not getting a timeout. I just kept driving in until the mav picked up the target… was able to get some longer range shots closer to what Frederf said that way.
I must have felt the range was reduced because I’ve been mostly targeting smaller SAM radars in pop up attacks. There were definitely times when I was pushing in there and just getting it to lock up at 6 miles. Maybe the background on the target wasn’t good. I tried attacking some tanks out in the open from medium altitude and got things locked up at 8-9 miles. The mavs seem more nuanced now, I like em.
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Quick note, BTW : the only prerequisite for boresight is to have the Maverick locked. No need to have the TGP locked before, after…
So it is perfectly doable to point the TGP somewhere, switch SOI to weapon, lock something, then put the TGP on the same thing afterwards and click boresight. You don’t even need to lock the TGP.
yeah I think a lot of confusion for newbies is that handoff and boresighting are linked, but are not the same thing. I know that the switchology involved for this confused me when 4.33 first arrived. What is key to remember is that for a successful handoff, the mav has to ‘aligned’ correctly so that the delta of the TER etc can be accounted for. Get them boresight so they know how to look at the same object then handoffs are a simple case of locking something on the TGP
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shooting mavs from any platfrom greater than like 2 or 3 miles is not only not SOP but highly unrealistic. Mavs suck, eat ground clutter and commonly go dumb. they have a high failure rate on and off the wing. Why they are still in service is their modular nature- their inconsistency has led to the push to standardize all the guidance into a laser form factor, but even the F and the J and the L2 versions are all experiencing bullshit problems, mostly with the seeker, as per the norm. Boresighting is an ancien regime though ill refrain from beating the horse, it’s obviously someone’s precious. firing mavs at 8 miles is unique to BMS " the game"
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^Haha I knew it! Listen to the real pilots. I’m done teaching people how to boresight, it’s all BORE & VIS mode from now on.
“STAY ARCADE”
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^Haha I knew it! Listen to the real pilots. I’m done teaching people how to boresight, it’s all BORE & VIS mode from now on.
“STAY ARCADE”
That’s fine. I personally enjoy the process. I find it rather satisfying setting ripple to 2, handing off two targets, and calling “RIFLE RIFLE”. It seems more realistic to me than loading the jet up with 8 Ds (who remembers the old ‘just because it can be done, doesn’t mean it is’ with 65D TER argument?) and spamming the pickle button over a moving tank coloumn in multiple, dangerous passes.
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unless you’re flying in Israel 1980’s
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unless you’re flying in Israel 1980’s
1980s - plural, so no apostrophe. Sorry, it’s a major bug bear.
I don’t fly '80s or IAF stuff tbh.
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1980s - plural, so no apostrophe. Sorry, it’s a major bug bear.
I don’t fly '80s or IAF stuff tbh.
unless you’re flying in Israel 1980s’ F16
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I tested handoff and come to think of it, I was also not getting a timeout. I just kept driving in until the mav picked up the target… was able to get some longer range shots closer to what Frederf said that way.
I must have felt the range was reduced because I’ve been mostly targeting smaller SAM radars in pop up attacks. There were definitely times when I was pushing in there and just getting it to lock up at 6 miles. Maybe the background on the target wasn’t good. I tried attacking some tanks out in the open from medium altitude and got things locked up at 8-9 miles. The mavs seem more nuanced now, I like em.
For handoff “timeout”, it depends on the situation.
Handoff is done in 3 phases :
1/ missile LOS is roughly aligned with TGP tracking direction -> you will see “1” above the missile station.
2/ a video comparison, done in the pod, compares TGP video and Mav video and aligns the 2. You will see “2” above the missile station.
3/ mav is commanded to track. You see “T” above the missile station.If the mav is properly boresighted, “2” is very fast. The video comparison works well and the pod is happy -> no fault reporting. Up to the mav to lock.(another nice thing about foresight, BTW : since the mav is continuously commanded to track, you don’t have to spam YMS up but you just have to wait until seeker is close enough).
If not boresighted, “2” last forever and the pod reports that video comparison give erratic results -> this is where you get a handoff failure.
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Ah, so timeout doesn’t depend on track success but only if there is an issue with automatic boresight corellation (ABC). Good video match, no timeout even if no track.