Unnecessary controls
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I have posted below regarding people’s preference on altitude scale on the HUD, whether they prefer to use BARO, AUTO or RADAR. From that post, looks like the preference is BARO, second is AUTO. RADAR so far I don’t think anyone actually uses it. Maybe the manufacturers (GD or Lockheed or whoever owns the F-16 manufacturing rights now) should remove it.
Seeing how (in BMS) the jet has soooo many functions, some of which I find is unnecessary (IMO), such as being able to change your STP coordinates in either STPT or DEST page. Yes, there is a difference in the two, but something I can live without. It just makes the manual thicker to explain more things.
Reminds me of Microsoft Windows, soooo many ways to do the same thing.
Any other functions in the jet that you guys think can be done without?
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I have posted below regarding people’s preference on altitude scale on the HUD, whether they prefer to use BARO, AUTO or RADAR. From that post, looks like the preference is BARO, second is AUTO. RADAR so far I don’t think anyone actually uses it. Maybe the manufacturers (GD or Lockheed or whoever owns the F-16 manufacturing rights now) should remove it.
Seeing how (in BMS) the jet has soooo many functions, some of which I find is unnecessary (IMO), such as being able to change your STP coordinates in either STPT or DEST page. Yes, there is a difference in the two, but something I can live without. It just makes the manual thicker to explain more things.
Reminds me of Microsoft Windows, soooo many ways to do the same thing.
Any other functions in the jet that you guys think can be done without?
If the jet could operate like HAWX it would make things simpler for the pilot without going through a game of rubix cube just to do a simple function.
NWS for example lol.
Everyone asks that question when they start out.Just opening the canopy,fumbling for the manual and stumbling to find the key.
Arma 2 is a bit like that=take 2 steps forward then 1 back.
Most hardcore sims like to be as hard as possible.
I really respect airforce pilots.
Must have brains like Einstein to remember every thing.Flying the F16 in BMS is probably the easiest thing in the World.
The filght model is pretty easy to use.It’s the MANAGEMENT stuff that is a KILLER!
This is like HAWX but with a chess board strapped onto your knee.
If you want a flight model,try Rise Of Flight.
F4 bms is a strategy game imo set in the air.
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No none. They are all necessary if you want realism. I have yet to find anything unnecessary in the manual. BTW, I find it handy to be able to change your STP coordinates in either STPT or DEST page, then you don’t have to change pages back to STP if you need to do it in DEST page for popups. I believe that is why it was designed that way.
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Smasha it is a modern fighter with flcs to make your life easier and let you focus on the combat/strategy. RoF is a sim too but it focuses on aircraft older than the f-16 that are more demanding in terms of how you fly the plane… NWS in the real f-16 is a button on the SSC it can’t be easier… think of the civilian AC for example the B738 it can’t take off untill you setup the “take-off data” pages on the computer…
Different aircraft have different need from a pilot perspective… -
I have posted below regarding people’s preference on altitude scale on the HUD, whether they prefer to use BARO, AUTO or RADAR. From that post, looks like the preference is BARO, second is AUTO. RADAR so far I don’t think anyone actually uses it. Maybe the manufacturers (GD or Lockheed or whoever owns the F-16 manufacturing rights now) should remove it.
Seeing how (in BMS) the jet has soooo many functions, some of which I find is unnecessary (IMO), such as being able to change your STP coordinates in either STPT or DEST page. Yes, there is a difference in the two, but something I can live without. It just makes the manual thicker to explain more things.
Reminds me of Microsoft Windows, soooo many ways to do the same thing.
Any other functions in the jet that you guys think can be done without?
The purpose of either page is not primarily to change current STPT selection. You are confusing a secondary function which is provided at a point to save you from pressing buttons, with a key feature being replicated.
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I have posted below regarding people’s preference on altitude scale on the HUD, whether they prefer to use BARO, AUTO or RADAR. From that post, looks like the preference is BARO, second is AUTO. RADAR so far I don’t think anyone actually uses it. Maybe the manufacturers (GD or Lockheed or whoever owns the F-16 manufacturing rights now) should remove it.
Seeing how (in BMS) the jet has soooo many functions, some of which I find is unnecessary (IMO), such as being able to change your STP coordinates in either STPT or DEST page. Yes, there is a difference in the two, but something I can live without. It just makes the manual thicker to explain more things.
Reminds me of Microsoft Windows, soooo many ways to do the same thing.
Any other functions in the jet that you guys think can be done without?
I use both baro and radar altitude together. Regarding man/vehicle launched heat/IR seeking missiles one may fly at 9000 feet baro, but only 6000 feet radar altitude. So it’s nice to know the radar altitude as well . . .
There is Baro, Auto and Radar mode. Radar mode show Baro in the usual box, and radar in a box below. -
This has been established in the other thread…
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I have posted below regarding people’s preference on altitude scale on the HUD, whether they prefer to use BARO, AUTO or RADAR. From that post, looks like the preference is BARO, second is AUTO. RADAR so far I don’t think anyone actually uses it. Maybe the manufacturers (GD or Lockheed or whoever owns the F-16 manufacturing rights now) should remove it.
Nope nope nope.
In BMS, you dont have random failures. In real life, you do. If your BARO altimeter fails you would want to display your radar altitude, because thats the only one you got left.
Seeing how (in BMS) the jet has soooo many functions, some of which I find is unnecessary (IMO), such as being able to change your STP coordinates in either STPT or DEST page. Yes, there is a difference in the two, but something I can live without. It just makes the manual thicker to explain more things.
Disagree.
DEST page allows you to change coordinates of a point without selecting it. If you are in Steering Autopilot, or if you are in AG mode, you dont want to switch steerpoint. So if your Bullseye point, or AR refuel point change, DEST is useful.
In general, what you call unnecessary is actually redundancy to mitigate failures. The jet is 30 years old. Lockheed had plenty of feedback to add stuff or remove unnecessary functions, dont worry.
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In general, what you call unnecessary is actually redundancy to mitigate failures. The jet is 30 years old. Lockheed had plenty of feedback to add stuff or remove unnecessary functions, dont worry.
To expand on this, statistically speaking because one thread of a select group of users (and yourself) doesn’t use a feature, doesn’t mean a majority of the people operating the aircraft don’t either.
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I would have thought the radar altimeter would be more prone to failure than the barometric one… barometric one just needs static air source to work, radar one needs power, computer able to interpret radar display, no wiring faults between the EMCON switch and the radar…
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I would have thought the radar altimeter would be more prone to failure than the barometric one… barometric one just needs static air source to work, radar one needs power, computer able to interpret radar display, no wiring faults between the EMCON switch and the radar…
I agree. But still, baro can fail. Or you could be stuck with a false QNH, for example, some stuff like that.
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so we have progressed from faulty altimeter to just not knowing the correct QNH… well in any event, the radar altimeter is useful for a variety of reasons. Hence setting the HUD panel options to have the RALT active and display the BARO setting primarily.
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TFR can not be activated if no ground radar
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GCAS too I think. Rad alt isn’t going anywhere.
Normal cockpit baro alt is from the ADC, not simple pitot-static system. It has a backup mode which bypasses ADC calculation for “standalone” behavior but is less accurate.
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GCAS too I think. Rad alt isn’t going anywhere.
Normal cockpit baro alt is from the ADC, not simple pitot-static system. It has a backup mode which bypasses ADC calculation for “standalone” behavior but is less accurate.
Heh well the ADC gets all of it’s inputs from the pitot-static system other than the AoA probes.
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The ramp start is a mind torture.
Needed a triple strength coffee after one try.
My mind is just not up to this sorry lads.
Back to Iracing for me and some ROF or even War Thunder.
My mind is not good enough.
Ever since I saw F4 on the shelves,I wanted to fly this but I guess I was given terrible genes.
You can’t choose that.
You get what you are given.
P.S. I was thinking that surely a dummmie can learn this over time but I’d neeed a teacher of supreme patience.
I reckon I could do it but I’d need someone online to teach me for 3 years.
Even the Bulls Eye Trainer is a mind ripper for me.
The manuals are way too cryptic for an average person to learn from.
i got good at drumming by repition ,just doing things and repeating for hours and hours till I got it but BMS requires SUPREME INTELLIGENCE.
It’s not the flying that is HARD in these modern sims.
It’s all the strategy elements and management which is totally the opposite of how my mind functions lol.
I suck at strategy games ,really suck.
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@ smasha…take a couple of days off and come back. Don’t give up. Try some other things and get more familiar with flying and the consoles and then come back to ramp starts. Just start at taxi or runway for a while.
You will find great reward by learning things (those Ah-Ha! moments) about flying this aircraft. Most things you do in jet are easier than ramp starts (from a procedural standpoint) so just do some of the other training missions. When I first started I would just load up the take off TE and load out the plane with whatever I wanted to practice with and would just pick any target I could lock up with the radar and/or TGP because in the TE nothing is logged in the logbook.
As I have heard so many times before as I was learning in this forum and others, this elephant can only be eaten one bite at a time!
But no one ever said from which end of the elephant you had to start eating. :lol:
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@ smasha…take a couple of days off and come back. Don’t give up. Try some other things and get more familiar with flying and the consoles and then come back to ramp starts. Just start at taxi or runway for a while.
You will find great reward by learning things (those Ah-Ha! moments) about flying this aircraft. Most things you do in jet are easier than ramp starts (from a procedural standpoint) so just do some of the other training missions. When I first started I would just load up the take off TE and load out the plane with whatever I wanted to practice with and would just pick any target I could lock up with the radar and/or TGP because in the TE nothing is logged in the logbook.
As I have heard so many times before as I was learning in this forum and others, this elephant can only be eaten one bite at a time!
But no one ever said from which end of the elephant you had to start eating. :lol:
I have done that a million times.
I take a break, come back,get totally overwhelmed and start getting down on myself then leave then when I have the courage again,I try again and get overwhelmed again.Sorry,I was short changed by the brain chef.
I’ll fix him up when my time is done.
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@ smasha…take a couple of days off and come back. Don’t give up. Try some other things and get more familiar with flying and the consoles and then come back to ramp starts. Just start at taxi or runway for a while.
You will find great reward by learning things (those Ah-Ha! moments) about flying this aircraft. Most things you do in jet are easier than ramp starts (from a procedural standpoint) so just do some of the other training missions. When I first started I would just load up the take off TE and load out the plane with whatever I wanted to practice with and would just pick any target I could lock up with the radar and/or TGP because in the TE nothing is logged in the logbook.
As I have heard so many times before as I was learning in this forum and others, this elephant can only be eaten one bite at a time!
But no one ever said from which end of the elephant you had to start eating. :lol:
Everything is hard in BMS mate.
Selecting a target you need to understand what all the mdf switches do.
Waiting for Australia to design an airplane.
One press,everything switches on automatically with out 5 rubix cubes sitting in your lap.
She’ll be RIGHT MATE!
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Radar altimeter is used for AGL in overhead breaks with wingmates, and when doing DME ARCs and ILS landings in 0 visibility, in case of mountains and charts being off. I have seen people run into mountains due to not having the radar altimeter displaying.
