Proved effects of low level & silent human flight on observability by A.I. in BMS?
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Al tend to cheat a bit when it comes to detection IMO.atleast friendlies, quite often ai wingmen would ask for me to ‘let me at em’ to aircraft just taking off. While falcon talks about modelling all these behaviours, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were big limitations and shortcuts taken; it is very old after all and I’m not sure how much this stuff has been worked on over the years.
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@Akbar:
Definitely highly unlikely unless you have no ROE at all.
But having a positive ID and position data from the IADS, missile gyros spun-up and launchers steered accordingly, I can believe the SNR on air time before launch to be that low.
Well, the quoted scenario does simplify things a bit. As mentioned earlier, there’s a difference between IADS discovering you, and you detecting a SAM launching at you. The time gap in between that can be very long. By the time the FCR is actually switched on, a number of things will already have been established. Your position, identity, speed, direction, whether or not to engage, etc. If done by even an average skilled and capable IADS/SAM battery, turning on the FCR and locking you up will be the second to last step in the process of shooting you down. It may even be the very last step if the decision is made to blind fire the SAM and only provide terminal guidance. Actually turning on the FCR and using it to ID a target is a practice that was discontinued very early, even before the first SA-2s were even sent to combat IIRC.
You could compare it to a grunt sitting in a foxhole. He might be told you’re possibly coming down the trail he’s watching long before he can see you. By the time he can see you and you’re within range, he’s already prepared his Claymore, prepared his MG and aimed it roughly against where he thinks you’ll appear, etc. You’ll only notice him when he starts firing, and he’ll do that very quickly when you’re within range because he took care of all the time consuming preparations in trying to kill you long before you turned up, and made a few small adjustments based on what he saw when you came within sight and then within range.
TL;DR: The time it can take from discovering a plane to engaging it with a SAM can easily be at least up towards 10 minutes (even more, or less depending on circumstances. 10 minutes is just a random number here), whereas the time it takes to finally switch on the SAM FCR to guide a missile against you can be less than even 10 seconds.
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The time it can take from discovering a plane to engaging it with a SAM can easily be at least up towards 10 minutes
I assume you’re taking into acount the time that it takes for an airplane to fly from the ‘area of responsability of the EW’ to the ‘area of responsability of the actual SAM FCR’, normally there’s a substantial difference in the ranges of those areas in favour of the EW radar. ‘Reaction time’ in the context of this thread is the time from target aquisition to SAM in the air BTW you’re right when saying that SA2s don’t survey the airspace with their FCRs explicitly turned on, even if they do it, they use a special mode of operation (don’t remember the specifics) and alternate the HPRFs to avoid HARMs.
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Indeed. By that I referred to the earliest point as the aircraft simply being detected and at least somewhat continuously tracked by IADS to the point where a SAM battery gives said plane the bad news.