AGM-158 JASSM questions
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in BMS, can the JASSM attack naval targets? just not sure how its terminal guidance is modelled.
also, is the weapon ‘stealthy’? Could you use vs an SA-10 site without it being shot down?
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static naval or stationary?
it is stealthy but I ‘believe’ it can be shot down but not sure by what type of SAM or other platform
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static and stationary are the same thing. I think you meant mobile or stationary. Are you saying the JASSM can’t hit a moving target?
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static and stationary are the same thing. I think you meant mobile or stationary. Are you saying the JASSM can’t hit a moving target?
yes my bad! :peep: No you can’t track a mover (any kind) with it; you can use VIS mode for static targets and of course GPS/precision stpts
Same applies to JSOW and SDB
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yes my bad! :peep: No you can’t track a mover (any kind) with it; you can use VIS mode for static targets and of course GPS/precision stpts
Same applies to JSOW and SDBActually I believe the Sniper pod will stay locked/tracking on a mover with an AGM-154C JSOW giving the appearance it will follow it but when you pickle you send the GPS coordinates of that exact moment in time. Hitting a moving column I normally target the leader, watch the formations behavior, and get range in as close as I can before pickle and it seems to work well taking out most of the column. That or stay zoomed out and calculate in my head where the column will be when my JSOW hits 2222’ and drop on a patch of ground ahead of them.
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interesting!
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Yeah I wasnt sure. IRL JASSM and JSOW-C use an IIR terminal seeker which allows them to strike moving targets. In BMS there is JSOW-A and JSOW-C but i’m not sure they are modelled any different? So since there is no LRASM (naval variant of JASSM) in BMS, I was wondering if you could use the JASSM in-game instead for naval targets.
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Yeah I wasnt sure. IRL JASSM and JSOW-C use an IIR terminal seeker which allows them to strike moving targets. In BMS there is JSOW-A and JSOW-C but i’m not sure they are modelled any different? So since there is no LRASM (naval variant of JASSM) in BMS, I was wondering if you could use the JASSM in-game instead for naval targets.
JSOW A cluster munitions JSOW C penetrator but I have not been able to load it on the viper. JASSM I can force via MC
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correction, must be a .35 update feature, JASSM now readily available - cool
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JASSM is a cruise missile (~1000km), so stationery targets . LRASSM is anti-ship missile - naval targets. They are both AGM-158 family.
So, somethin’ like Harppon/SLAM/-ER , they are all AGM-84 family.
NO. JASSM and (AGM-154C) JSOW-C are NOT using IIR (imaging-infra red) sensor for tracking moving targets , but for stationary target identification … like Tomahawk (xGM-109) .
I mean, JASSM has 1000kg (pen?) warhead - it’s not kinda weapon you’ll choose for moving column of tanks or hvt inside a car, would’ya? - you would
Even AGM-154(1)A/B (jsow-a) is not quite suitable for moving targets . it is GPS/INS guided , not infra-red . so fixed coords. Like cluster version of Tomahawk (xGM-109B).
That it allows TOO airstrike option is another thing, … yes you can use it that way, like any GPS/INS weapon. - but you program it for specific coords location before release , it is not self-guided via IR/IIR.
Yes, some weapons allow for not-standard (non-intended) method of deployment… remember 1991 Desert Storm , LGB(mk82) , shot , and hit on a low flying helicopter (Mi-8?), … think it was by F-15E.
so…
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AGM-154C does have an IR terminal seeker…but I’m not sure how it does with moving targets without MITL.
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AGM-154C doesnt have nothing…. aside INS. pure glide bomb
AGM 154-C-1 has IIR , and it also have datalink … but is designed primarily for naval, anti-ship deployment by Navy… not against Persian guided mercedes , dude
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lol, I meant , you wont use unitary HE/AP high-yield warhead against a moving tank … rather ship …small target…
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lol, I meant , you wont use unitary HE/AP high-yield warhead against a moving tank … rather ship …small target…
I agree with you. I’m just looking at other anti-ship stand-off options besides Harpoon/Maverick. I was hoping I could JASSM….apparently not in BMS. might still be worth a test, just to be sure.
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Well :)))
BMS editor for sure can make JASSM into anti-ship missile … but it is not that “true” weapon. You would need LRASM … maybe they will add in some future 3-4 weeks
But what’s wrong with Harpoon , it gets shot down often or ?
I mean, it has good standoff range and kill ratio , why not use it in bunches , fly or send a flight of 4xF18E/F with 4xHarpoons on stations, see them SAM that …
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Technically , we could make AGM 154-C1 , out of existing JSOW-C , and turn it into an anti-ship missile … but it would be happy day for SAM’s … slow glide bomb/missile -
AGM-154C doesnt have nothing…. aside INS. pure glide bomb
AGM 154-C-1 has IIR , and it also have datalink … but is designed primarily for naval, anti-ship deployment by Navy… not against Persian guided mercedes , dude
…actually, the C and C-1 variant were primarily intended for use against land targets - tanks, structures, and bunkers - the C-1 has the unitary (BLU-109) warhead vice the C cluster munitions (if I recall…). And all JSOW variants have always had GPS/INS. C-1 could be used against lightly armed maritime targets, but I wouldn’t recommend it if you can get a Harpoon or SLAM/ER.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/agm-154c.htm
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Well :)))
BMS editor for sure can make JASSM into anti-ship missile … but it is not that “true” weapon. You would need LRASM … maybe they will add in some future 3-4 weeks
But what’s wrong with Harpoon , it gets shot down often or ?
Yeah, it seems to me that when the AI fires Harpoons they fly default Hi-Low profile. I can set mine for low-low but the AI missiles seem to come in high and get shot-down. Dont get me wrong, its really cool that ships can shoot down missiles now, as they should do. My last 4-ship against an enemy carrier group, 16 harpoon fired and 3 got through. thats probably actually close to realistic, im just wondering if theres another way to skin a cat.
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…actually, the C and C-1 variant were primarily intended for use against land targets - tanks, structures, and bunkers - the C-1 has the unitary (BLU-109) warhead vice the C cluster munitions (if I recall…). And all JSOW variants have always had GPS/INS. C-1 could be used against lightly armed maritime targets, but I wouldn’t recommend it if you can get a Harpoon or SLAM/ER.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/agm-154c.htm
You recall wrong,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-154_Joint_Standoff_Weapon -
Yeah, it seems to me that when the AI fires Harpoons they fly default Hi-Low profile. I can set mine for low-low but the AI missiles seem to come in high and get shot-down. Dont get me wrong, its really cool that ships can shoot down missiles now, as they should do. My last 4-ship against an enemy carrier group, 16 harpoon fired and 3 got through. thats probably actually close to realistic, im just wondering if theres another way to skin a cat.
Well… welcome to “modern warfare” … Ships are outstanding defense platforms today. You know in Ticonderoga/Burke VLS systems, there are ~150 SAM missiles per ship … and that’s not a joke. These are really anti-air/missile defense floating platforms.
Even Russian capital ships Kuznetsov/Kirov class are not joking neither. S-300/400 more then >~100 missiles (5 per 1 tube of VLS) … and you want your 16 Harpoons to pass just like that… HaaaHaaa … No.And… then comes point-defense, gatling guns and smaller SAM’s - again about 100 short range missiles.
Your 3 Harpoons that gotten through (leakers) are so LUCKY SOB’s … that can’t be described.
But… you’re missing one strong point , … tactics/strategy . -> hint: You are not attacking strong stuff without STRONG standoff jamming (offensive ECM)
Now then, … try to create mission with Jammer plane in your package, Ea-6B or EF-18G with 3xALQ-99 …So… “it’s not all in the size of the axe , then how well you can wield one.” :uham:
Cheers