Solved Unexpected CTD
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@Seifer - By any chance, could you tell if it was the 3rd bit of 8 that was flipped?
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@SoBad the faulty pointer is:
0x10 00 00 06 c1 c4 54 60
the first byte, 0x10 is the faulty one, which is 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0.
So I guess the answer to your question is that it is the 5th bit, from lower to higher.
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@Seifer said in Unexpected CTD:
@SoBad the faulty pointer is:
0x10 00 00 06 c1 c4 54 60
the first byte, 0x10 is the faulty one, which is 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0.
So I guess the answer to your question is that it is the 5th bit, from lower to higher.
Okay. I just ran the MemTest86 for the past 1 hour+.
See the results yourself:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e8miZgjijGrabOrDeeeEprGU3PlMfClk/view?usp=sharing
Thousands of single bit errors, either one value lower, or one value higher. In every case, the 3rd bit (or maybe 5th bit depending upon which direction you are counting, right?).
If not for your help, I would have never tracked this down. I’m going to contact the business that built my computer to see if my warranty is good for the RAM, but either way, I’ll get this set right. Thanks again.
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@SoBad that is astonishing – Seifer’s debugging skills are off the charts. (I looked at the dmp too but can’t say how long it would have taken me to spot that, or if I ever would have)
what speed RAM is it? just curious…
for Ryzen 7700X, looks like 2x sticks of DDR5-5200 are recommended for optimum speed + reliability. life too short to worry about RAM errors!
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Doesn’t it just figure? I flew 3 full complex packages over ~3 hour period this afternoon. Everything went flawlessly.
Now I think I’m going to install the replacement RAM modules IN ADDITION to my ‘flawed’ ones and see how long I can run w/ 64Gb of RAM!
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@SoBad said in Unexpected CTD:
Doesn’t it just figure? I flew 3 full complex packages over ~3 hour period this afternoon. Everything went flawlessly.
Memory bugs are just like that… they may happen, or not… The problem is when they happen
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@SoBad be aware that for Ryzen CPUs using 4-sticks of ram forces you to disable any EXPO/XMP profiles and run mem at CPUs stock clocks, which in turn hurts general performance. Can’t tell how fast you can go with latest AGESA (BIOS) on Zen4 but from day one 6000MHz provided optimal performance and was achievable on any CPU.
See Hardware Unboxed Zen4 memory scaling test video:
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@Xeno said in Unexpected CTD:
@SoBad be aware that for Ryzen CPUs using 4-sticks of ram forces you to disable any EXPO/XMP profiles and run mem at CPUs stock clocks, which in turn hurts general performance. Can’t tell how fast you can go with latest AGESA (BIOS) on Zen4 but from day one 6000MHz provided optimal performance and was achievable on any CPU.
See Hardware Unboxed Zen4 memory scaling test video:
The wealth of esoteric and useful info in this forum is amazing. Thank you.
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… this CTD…
I know is no support , it is still U2 modded campaign , but it didn’t happen that often. - happens on external view , night or day/Please, Just out of hunch, can you tell , gpu driver or bms?
Thanks================================== CRASHLOG ===================================== Falcon BMS.exe caused an EXCEPTION_BREAKPOINT in: 000000000459AD33 Falcon BMS.exe, bp::DrawList<unsigned __int64>::addCommand()+419 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\Common\DrawList.h, line 487 Exception handler called in UnhandledExceptionHandler. BreakpointBytes at CS:RIP: CC 49 8B 07 48 8B 90 88 00 00 00 F3 44 0F 11 5A Registers: RAX=0x000000053954a740 RBX=0x000000053aa4e030 RCX=0x0000000004fb0380 RDX=0x4070000000000000 RSI=0x0000000000000000 RDI=0x0000000050f61f70 RBP=0x000000005934d501 RSP=0x0000000030e8ee50 RIP=0x000000000459ad33 FLG=0x3f80000000000206 R8=0x4070000000000000 R9=0x000000000000003c R10=0x0000000030ce96b0 R11=0x0000000030e8ef40 R12=0x0000000000018f07 R13=0x000000000000ffff R14=0x0000000030567c80 R15=0x000000053aa4e078 CS=0x0033 DS=0x002B SS=0x002B ES=0x002B FS=0x0053 GS=0x002B Call Stack: 0033:000000000459AD33 Falcon BMS.exe, bp::DrawList<unsigned __int64>::addCommand()+419 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\Bluebox\Engine\Common\DrawList.h, line 487, Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000018F07 0x000000005934D5B0 0x000000003AA4D128) 0033:000000000459C9B3 Falcon BMS.exe, DynamicPolyBuffer<VertexTexture<2,VertexSpecular<VertexDiffuse<VertexTransformed> > > >::RenderPrims()+787 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\3Dlib\VertexBuffer.cpp, line 1454+48 byte(s), Parameters(0x000000003AA4A000 0x0000000030CE96B0 0x000000003AABE410 0x000000003AA4A000) 0033:0000000004595C0F Falcon BMS.exe, DynamicPolyBuffer<VertexAlpha<VertexTexture<1,VertexSpecular<VertexDiffuse<VertexNormal<VertexPosition> > > > > >::RenderWithShaders()+1167 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\3Dlib\VertexBuffer.cpp, line 1323+123 byte(s), Parameters(0x000000005934D5B0 0x0000000030CE96B0 0x00000000306998C0 0x000000003AA4E030) 0033:0000000004592424 Falcon BMS.exe, DynamicPolyBuffer<VertexAlpha<VertexTexture<1,VertexSpecular<VertexDiffuse<VertexNormal<VertexPosition> > > > > >::Render()+436 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\3Dlib\VertexBuffer.cpp, line 1145, Parameters(0x0000000030CE96B0 0x000000003AA4E030 0x0000000030CE96B0 0x000000003AA4E030) 0033:0000000004591C41 Falcon BMS.exe, DynamicVertexBufferPool::Render()+961 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\3Dlib\VertexBuffer.cpp, line 1764, Parameters(0x0000000030CF1FE0 0x0000000030CE96B0 0x0000000038530040 0x00000000385A7470) 0033:000000000459E956 Falcon BMS.exe, ContextMPR::FlushVertexBuffers()+374 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\3Dlib\context.cpp, line 818, Parameters(0x0000000030CE9690 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000037924925 0x0000000030CE9690) 0033:0000000004610831 Falcon BMS.exe, Render2D::SetViewport()+65 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\Renderer\Render2d.cpp, line 175+11 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000030CE9690 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000) 0033:00000000045DB0EA Falcon BMS.exe, Render3D::SetViewport()+26 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\Renderer\Render3d.cpp, line 131, Parameters(0x000000000F3AE5B0 0x00000000385A7470 0x0000000038530040 0x000000000F3AE5B0) 0033:00000000045E57EA Falcon BMS.exe, VirtualDisplay::FinishRtt()+154 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\Graphics\Renderer\Display.cpp, line 2330, Parameters(0x0000000038530008 0x0000000039A44200 0x0000000039940020 0x0000000039A9E300) 0033:0000000004994E28 Falcon BMS.exe, OTWDriverClass::VCock_RenderDisplaysToTexture()+1544 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\SIM\OTWDRIVE\vcock.cpp, line 6810, Parameters(0x0000000039AC9440 0x000000000000000B 0x0000000000000003 0x0000000039A44200) 0033:0000000004971BF2 Falcon BMS.exe, OTWDriverClass::DoRenderFrame()+66 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\SIM\OTWDRIVE\otwloop.cpp, line 3179, Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x000000002BD3B610 0x0000000000000080) 0033:00000000049711C7 Falcon BMS.exe, OTWDriverClass::drawFrame()+711 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\SIM\OTWDRIVE\otwloop.cpp, line 2953, Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000080 0x0000000000000001 0x0000000000000000) 0033:000000000496BC98 Falcon BMS.exe, OTWDriverClass::Cycle()+6920 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\SIM\OTWDRIVE\otwloop.cpp, line 680, Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x00000000447A0000 0x000000003C23D70A 0x00000000416B233A) 0033:0000000004A740AF Falcon BMS.exe, SimulationLoopControl::Loop()+4127 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\SIM\SimLoop\Simloop.cpp, line 626, Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000004A73090) 0033:000000000451AC4D Falcon BMS.exe, ThreadUnhandledExceptionWrapper()+109 byte(s), D:\Dev\BMS\Code\FALCLIB\ehandler.cpp, line 1588+5 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x000000003048EC90 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000) 0033:0000000004EC0FF9 Falcon BMS.exe, thread_start<unsigned int (__cdecl*)(void * __ptr64)>()+93 byte(s), d:\th\minkernel\crts\ucrt\src\appcrt\startup\thread.cpp, line 115+5 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000) 0033:0000000094CD7344 KERNEL32.DLL, BaseThreadInitThunk()+20 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000) 0033:00000000961826B1 ntdll.dll, RtlUserThreadStart()+33 byte(s), Parameters(0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000) Top of Stack: 0x0000000030E8EE50: 0000000004FB0380 4070000000000000 4070000000000000 000000000000003C [email protected]@<....... 0x0000000030E8EE70: 0000000000000000 00000000045EF2ED 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ..........^..................... 0x0000000030E8EE90: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 000000053AABE590 0000000000000000 ...................:............ 0x0000000030E8EEB0: 0000000000000000 00000000BF0DB400 0000000041200000 0000000000000000 .................. A............ 0x0000000030E8EED0: 408F400000000000 0000000000000000 0000000042C80000 0000000000000000 .....@[email protected]............ 0x0000000030E8EEF0: 00000000BF800000 0000000000000000 0000000041E4731A 0000000000000000 .................s.A............ 0x0000000030E8EF10: 46AF5D3846AF5D38 46AF5D3846AF5D38 0000000000000001 0000000030567C80 8].F8].F8].F8].F.........|V0.... 0x0000000030E8EF30: 000000053AA4A000 00000000000016C0 000000000000001A 000000000459C9B3 ...:......................Y..... 0x0000000030E8EF50: 0000000500000000 0000000000018F07 000000005934D5B0 000000053AA4D128 ..................4Y....(..:.... 0x0000000030E8EF70: 0000000500000000 0000000030CE96B0 41E4731A438435A2 3F800000447771EB ...........0.....5.C.s.A.qwD...? 0x0000000030E8EF90: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 000000003F800000 0000000000000000 ...................?............ 0x0000000030E8EFB0: 000000003F800000 0000000000000000 0000000030E8F0B0 000000000000001E ...?...............0............ 0x0000000030E8EFD0: 000000000F42CA30 00000000000000E1 000000053AA4D170 0000000000000000 0.B.............p..:............ 0x0000000030E8EFF0: 0000000030E8F100 0000000004595C0F 000000053AA4A000 0000000030CE96B0 ...0.....\Y........:.......0.... 0x0000000030E8F010: 000000053AABE410 000000053AA4A000 000000000000003C 000000000000001E ...:.......:....<............... 0x0000000030E8F030: 000000053AAB70B8 000000000000001A 000000053AA4D128 000000000F42CA30 .p.:............(..:....0.B..... 0x0000000030E8F050: 000000053AA4D170 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 000000053AA4D6E0 p..:.......................:.... 0x0000000030E8F070: 0000000030E8F0B0 000000053AA4E030 0000001A00000000 000000053AA4D128 ...0....0..:............(..:.... 0x0000000030E8F090: 0000000000000000 000000053AA4D6E0 0000000000000000 000000053AAB70B8 ...........:.............p.:.... 0x0000000030E8F0B0: BE828E84BDDC3BFA 3F800000409F7056 0000000004FB05D0 000000005934D5B0 .;......Vp.@...?..........4Y.... 0x0000000030E8F0D0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 408F400000000000 0000000000000000 .....................@.@........ 0x0000000030E8F0F0: 0000000042C80000 0000000000000000 0000000030E8F110 0000000000000000 ...B...............0............ 0x0000000030E8F110: 0000000004FB05D0 000000005934D5B0 00000000447ACB0C 0000000000000000 ..........4Y......zD............ 0x0000000030E8F130: 0000000000000000 0000000030566B40 0000000000000006 0000000030E8F110 [email protected].... 0x0000000030E8F150: 0000000030E8F1D4 000000000F3AE5B0 00000000306998C0 00000005385A7470 ...0......:.......i0....ptZ8.... 0x0000000030E8F170: 0000000538530040 000000053AA4E030 00000000306998C0 000000005934D5B0 @.S8....0..:......i0......4Y.... 0x0000000030E8F190: 0000000030CE96B0 0000000004592424 000000005934D5B0 0000000030CE96B0 ...0....$$Y.......4Y.......0.... 0x0000000030E8F1B0: 00000000306998C0 000000053AA4E030 2063696D616E7944 6E655220796C6F50 ..i0....0..:....Dynamic Poly Ren 0x0000000030E8F1D0: 0032643120726564 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 der 1d2......................... 0x0000000030E8F1F0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................ 0x0000000030E8F210: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................ 0x0000000030E8F230: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000030CF1FE0 0000000004591C41 ...................0....A.Y..... 0x0000000030E8F250: 0000000030CE96B0 000000053AA4E030 0000000030CE96B0 000000053AA4E030 ...0....0..:.......0....0..:.... 0x0000000030E8F270: 000000053AA31050 0000000030E8F290 000000053AA4E030 0000000539895580 P..:.......0....0..:.....U.9.... 0x0000000030E8F290: 46AF98AC499C061E 3F8000004A03C3F5 5663696D616E7944 6675427865747265 ...I...F...J...?DynamicVertexBuf 0x0000000030E8F2B0: 3A6C6F6F50726566 207265646E65523A 0000000000353332 0000000000000000 ferPool::Render 235............. 0x0000000030E8F2D0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................ 0x0000000030E8F2F0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ................................ 0x0000000030E8F310: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 000000000F3AE5B0 000000000F3AE5B0 ..................:.......:..... 0x0000000030E8F330: 000000053954A740 000000000000000B 0000000539A44200 000000000459E956 @.T9.............B.9....V.Y..... 0x0000000030E8F350: 0000000030CF1FE0 0000000030CE96B0 0000000538530040 00000005385A7470 [email protected].... 0x0000000030E8F370: 0000000030CE2710 000000000000000B 0000000030CE9690 0000000004610831 .'.0...............0....1.a..... 0x0000000030E8F390: 0000000030CE9690 0000000000000000 0000000037924925 0000000030CE9690 ...0............%I.7.......0.... 0x0000000030E8F3B0: 0000000041200000 0000000000000000 0000000042480000 0000000000000000 .. A..............HB............ 0x0000000030E8F3D0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 3FA99999A0000000 0000000000000000 .......................?........ 0x0000000030E8F3F0: 000000000F3AE5B0 00000000045DB0EA 0000000030CE9690 0000000000000000 ..:.......]........0............ 0x0000000030E8F410: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 3FA99999BF800000 0000000000000000 .......................?........ 0x0000000030E8F430: 0000000000000008 00000000045E57EA 000000000F3AE5B0 00000005385A7470 .........W^.......:.....ptZ8.... 0x0000000030E8F450: 0000000538530040 000000000F3AE5B0 00000000BF800000 0000000000000008 @.S8......:..................... 0x0000000030E8F470: 0000000539A44200 0000000004994E28 0000000538530008 0000000539A44200 .B.9....(N........S8.....B.9.... 0x0000000030E8F490: 0000000539940020 0000000539A9E300 4000A42B80000000 3F23FDF54A03B400 [email protected]..#? 0x0000000030E8F4B0: 00000000499BFE00 0000000000000000 00000000404007D0 0000000000000005 ...I..............@@............ 0x0000000030E8F4D0: 00000005398EB800 0000000539916940 0000000539941A80 000000053996CBC0 [email protected].... 0x0000000030E8F4F0: 00000005399C2E40 0000000539A190C0 0000000539A6F340 0000000539997D00 @[email protected].....}.9.... 0x0000000030E8F510: 000000000F3AE5B0 00000005385A7470 0000000538530040 000000000F3AE5B0 ..:[email protected]......:..... 0x0000000030E8F530: 0000000538530040 0000000000000000 000000000F3B8B38 0000000004971BF2 @.S8............8.;............. 0x0000000030E8F550: 0000000539AC9440 000000000000000B 0000000000000003 0000000539A44200 @..9.....................B.9.... 0x0000000030E8F570: 000000000F3B0001 0000000004971B67 499982CE4A018D89 00000000C6EA6000 ..;.....g..........J...I.`...... 0x0000000030E8F590: 3EBF33A63EE983F9 000000003E8DF337 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ...>.3.>7..>.................... 0x0000000030E8F5B0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000042480000 0000000000000000 ..................HB............ 0x0000000030E8F5D0: 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 000000003C70C7EA 0000000000000000 ..................p<............ 0x0000000030E8F5F0: 0000000000000000 000000064ED93950 00000005385A7470 0000000538530040 [email protected].... 0x0000000030E8F610: 000000000F3AE5B0 00000000049711C7 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 ..:............................. 0x0000000030E8F630: 000000002BD3B610 0000000000000080 000000000F3B8B80 0000000030E8F6E8 ...+..............;........0.... While Drawing LOD 4075 (this may only be a coincidence if the call stack is not the LOD drawing code) ================================================================================ TLS frame allocator: 14162 allocations with 78941280 bytes [0] 8213 allocations with 48399840 bytes [1] Renderer command count: 968 Object at RCX(0000000004FB0380) Data inaccessible ================================================================================
It even comes with dump.
https://www.upload.ee/files/16017266/2023-12-04_212113_crash.rar.html -
@white_fang said in Unexpected CTD:
sorry, seems you are not running 4.37.3, are you?
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Nope. 4.37.2 , like I said, U2 above. But ctd(s) came out of blue, well, haven’t noticed before. All what I’ve changed was gpu driver , hence, suspicion.
Is that ctd U2 specific quirk ?
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@white_fang I usually don’t debug previous CTDs, because we fixed a lot of stuff in U3 so we could be chasing ghosts. Also, I don’t have U2 exe anymore, so you would need to provide me exe and pdbs.
Why not update to U3?
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I did update to u3 , … dual-install . Haven’t finished F18 campaign yet , hence in U3 , F18 is still a bit bugged. When I finish this campaign I’ll enjoy U3
Ok… U2 exe and pdb’s are uploaded here:
https://www.upload.ee/files/16027471/x64.rar.htmlDon’t bother too much, external view is really something I can live without in BMS, I’m maybe just too curious.
Take a peek , if bug is obvious , ok … if not , don’t dig too deep… but, huh, I know… it is a challengeAnd THANKS.