Countermeasures in F-16

[BloodDrunk]

Hi! I see to be having problems manually dispensing flares and chaff? I have the controls for CMS set up too. What’s weird is that I can dispense them both at the same time with the knob in the far right position (which I’m guessing says “both”) but I am unable to dispense them separately when set to man. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

[PimpDaddyStalker]

Try setting up your Data Transfer Cartridge DTC. See the video below at the 15:28 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BQVD-SbEcY#

[Blu3wolf]

The knob you refer to, when set to the far right position, says BYP which is short for Bypass mode.

In Bypass mode, activating any countermeasure program results in the ALE-47 dispensing 1 chaff, and 1 flare.

If set to SEMI, you can run your program of choice with CMS forward (runs program 1-4 as selected on the CMDS panel), CMS left (runs program 6), or the slap switch (runs program 5). Additionally, CMS aft when in AUTO will give consent to release the currently selected program 1-4 automatically.

[BloodDrunk]

Thanks, both of you for the info and quick response!

[molnibalage]

@BloodDrunk:

Hi! I see to be having problems manually dispensing flares and chaff? I have the controls for CMS set up too. What’s weird is that I can dispense them both at the same time with the knob in the far right position (which I’m guessing says “both”) but I am unable to dispense them separately when set to man. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

As I know you cannot do this. Even for a program you have chaff and falre page does not mean they are “runned” separately. So in one press means run the program of both dispenser pages. So your only way to define programs with only flare and only chaff release sequences.

[FanOfBMS432]

AFAIK ‘man’ mode refers to the way CMS programs are triggered. Manual triggers the chosen CMS-program when you e.g. cms forward.
I’m sure the Dash-1 explains it a lot better though
Regards,
Fan

[PAVEWAY]

@BloodDrunk:

Hi! I see to be having problems manually dispensing flares and chaff? I have the controls for CMS set up too. What’s weird is that I can dispense them both at the same time with the knob in the far right position (which I’m guessing says “both”) but I am unable to dispense them separately when set to man. Any ideas? Thanks in advance!

Don’t bother with flare and chaffs they don’t work in this sim. Flares are mainly used for SA during Dogfights.

[Amraam]

That’s not true….

[Red Dog]

@PAVEWAY:

Don’t bother with flare and chaffs they don’t work in this sim. Flares are mainly used for SA during Dogfights.

mwahhahahahahaha
that just made my day

[l3crusader]

@Red:

mwahhahahahahaha
that just made my day

Yeah, mine too

And what about chaffs ? They are used to go into the enemy AC engine and damage it ? :mrgreen:

Oh, no, I know ! Scratching the enemy’s canopy so he cant see a thing !

[PAVEWAY]

Well… once I can visually ID the missile tracking me behind, after deploying half of my chaffs. I use the rest of the chaffs to scratch it’s warhead while relying on my defensive maneuvers.:D

[Amraam]

First, deploying chaff without have a proper program for a specific threat is useless. Each program need to be done for a specific threat.
Second, the real use of chaff is not for missile, but most against radar. Example, agains’t a Mig-29A firing at me a AA10A, of course I will not chaff is missile, but I’ll chaff the radar of the Mig-29. Again, it need a specific program for that ;).

[Dee-Jay]

@Amraam:

First, deploying chaff without have a proper program for a specific threat is useless. Each program need to be done for a specific threat.
Second, the real use of chaff is not for missile, but most against radar. Example, agains’t a Mig-29A firing at me a AA10A, of course I will not chaff is missile, but I’ll chaff the radar of the Mig-29. Again, it need a specific program for that ;).

100%

And even for IR missile, for some new gen missiles (like SA-18 or SA-24 equipped with ECCM) classic Flares decoys are almost totally inefficient.

[Corsair]

In addition to filter algorithms (i.e ignoring IR sources beneath the target, rendering down-firing dispensers useless), missiles’ seekers are now multi-spectrum (UV, optical…).

[tbuc]

@Corsair:

…. multi-spectrum (UV, optical…).

“UV, optical” does not make any sense. UV is an optical frequency range like vis and NIR/MIR. By “optical”, perhaps did you mean visible?

Actually, most modern missiles use imaging detectors (e.g. AIM-9X and Python 5) like focal plane arrays, which are (UV/)NIR/MIR sensitive. AFAIK, there is no seeker sensitive to the visible spectral range until now (would be a Si-detector). What are your sources?

[Dee-Jay]

UV is an optical frequency like vis and NIR/MIR.

Maybe he meant IR BandII. (?)

@tbuc:

By “optical”, perhaps did you mean visible?

Shape.

[Shadow]

If some can build a smarter seeker, someone else or even the same team is working on the countermeasure.

Don’t forget its all EM radiation, from Heat seekers, TV imaging to Radar Detection. Just depends what part of the spectrum you want to use.

And if anyone was wondering. In no logical order.

Optical: “operating in or employing the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum” (wavelengths from about 390 to 700 nm)

UV: “400 nm to 10 nm, shorter than that of visible light but longer than X-rays.”

IR: is invisible radiant energy, electromagnetic radiation with longer wavelengths than those of visible light, extending from the nominal red edge of the visible spectrum at 700 nanometers to 1 mm

NIR: near-infrared region of the electromagnetic spectrum(from about 800 nm to 2500 nm).

Radar: Common Bands From 3mm to 100m.

Its all Electro/Magnetic Radiation.

Even dark matter can be detected, unless its hidden.

[l3crusader]

@Shadow:

Even dark matter can be detected, unless its hidden.

I totally want to see a dark matter seeker happen in my life, that just sounds awesome

[PimpDaddyStalker]

@l3crusader:

I totally want to see a dark matter seeker happen in my life, that just sounds awesome

They would just hit all of the news stations… and maybe some talk radio…

[Dee-Jay]

@l3crusader:

I totally want to see a dark matter seeker happen in my life, that just sounds awesome

… + missile powered by dark energy.