I'm a pain in the butt
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I Have been setting up my stick for 4.33. I have printed out the callback keys and the BMS 4.33 keyboard and I am still having trouble locating the fire cannon key and the flare/chaff release key
Maybe that I don’t understand the new terminology for the keys I even called up the callback key doc new / old key callbacks are a whole new terminology language
Well l know that sounds simple to most of you but for a simple guy like me I just need a nudge.If anyone answers this I really want to thank-you
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Look for SecondTriggerDetent for the cannon.
Chaff/Flare is slightly more complicated.
- CMS Up runs the selected program (there are 6 available, usually 1, 2, 3, or 4 are the ‘selected’ program);
- CMS Left is Program 6
- The ‘slap switch’ is Program 5
(Pretty sure 5 & 6 are correct …. but I could I have them reversed. I don’t have Docs on this PC to check.)
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I’m a pain in the butt
Whatch out … some might find that convenient and make you STICK to it. :fart:
Perhaps take a look at controllers subforum for some examples to work with.
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I think someone needs to officially dub him with the callsign “PITA”.
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OK here are some things you need to know first…
You gotta go to the TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1 manual
(C:\Falcon BMS 4.33\Docs\Falcon BMS Manuals)
and all your controlls questions are going to be solved there…
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here are some nice buttons if you have spare room in your HOTAS
MISC: Pitch Switch - Cycle (also Combat AP) : This is a keybind that tries to stabilize your aircraft and will save you for maping any Trim controls!
You just fire up the autopilot and you only have to worry about the amount of thrust you give to the engine;TQS: SPD Break Switch Toggle : is for the Air Brakes
CKPIT: Mouselook Clickable Pit Toggle : This is for users that don’t have Track-IR and dont want to accidentally hit any wrong button or knob on the cockpit
Short : Radar AA Mode Step : Is for cycling A-A radar modes (bore, TWS, RWS, etc)
NWS A/R DISC MSL Step Switch : Is for cycling A-A hardpoints (AkA Missiles)
Stick 1st (and 2nd) Gear detent : are for firing guns along with the Stick weapon release (Pickle) and other buttons that I’m not going to cover here…
CMS UP : is for countermeasures programed release (but you can also set it to bypass and release them manually)
ICP A-A Button - Push : is a cool button to instantly sends you to A-A Master mode
TQS : Dogfight Switch - MRM/DF Cancel : is also a nice key to get you back from A-A Master mode to NAV mode
TQS: Dogfight Switch DF override and TQS : Dogfight MRM override : for Dogfight modes obviously
FLT : Alt Flaps Switch Toggle : is for manual flaps (f 16 can also be automatic)
Short : Radar Azimuth Scan change : is for changing the azimuth that the scan … well, scans
Short : Radar Scan Bar : is for how many layers (bars) the radar will scan at a given pass
Shift + / is my favorite xD well it steers your plane like a car, but I guess you already know that
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and you might find even more…
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If you have mentioned your stick/Hotas make/model, some one would have pointed you to suitable pre-programmed profile. What is your stick make/model.
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yes it would help to know the exact HOTAS and,
no… it’s better for him to sit and make his own. And avoid to use pre programmed profiles cuz sometimes they can waste your whole day and still do nothing… but it’s his choice after all…
If he has a cougar then he is set. If he has any other HOTAS then he can either simulate the same buttons (that can be found to the TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1 manual) and if he has spare buttons also mapp some other keys. Or, he can think clever and see that trim for example is not so important as the [MISC: Pitch Switch - Cycle (also Combat AP)] button. That will save him 3 spare places at his HOTAS, because you won’t need trim so much if you have a button that his only purpose is to well… keep your jet for flying strait ahead;These are the originals.
Button: Weapon Release
8 way POV: Trim
Button: Missile Stem/Nose Wheel Steering/Aerial Refueling Disconnect/A-G Toggle
4 Way POV: DMS (up, down, left, right)
4 Way POV plus button: CMS (up, down, left, right)
4 Way POV: TMS (up, down, left, right)
Trigger: Trigger 1st detent
Trigger: Trigger 2nd detent
Trigger: Pinky Switch
Trigger: Paddle SwitchTrigger: Black-Out Switch
Cursor: Cursor Enable and Control
Button: Speed Brake
Button: Dogfight Override
Button: Missile Override
Knob: Antenna Elevation
4 Way POV: Communications Switchand a Track-IR ofcourse
how to use them, its in the manual.
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yes it would help to know the exact HOTAS and,
no… it’s better for him to sit and make his own. And avoid to use pre programmed profiles cuz sometimes they can waste your whole day and still do nothing… but it’s his choice after all…
If he has a cougar then he is set. If he has any other HOTAS then he can either simulate the same buttons (that can be found to the TO-BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1 manual) and if he has spare buttons also mapp some other keys. Or, he can think clever and see that trim for example is not so important as the [MISC: Pitch Switch - Cycle (also Combat AP)] button. That will save him 3 spare places at his HOTAS, because you won’t need trim so much if you have a button that his only purpose is to well… keep your jet for flying strait ahead;You obviously don’t know shit about controllers and give a poor advice as result.
There are very good controllers and profiles as well apart from Cougar, and each has a own section in subforum where he should look first for a decent profile that looks similar to the real one mentioned in manual.
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So you must be the smart one here.
Have I ever said that the Cougar is superior to other HOTAS? I use a x52 and a lot of people hate the x52 for its loose spring, it’s jittering sliders, the poor profiler that doesn’t ****ing work properly and it’s not to mention that it has problems with USB 3.0 ports, windows 8 and windows 7 windows vista and sometimes the keys do not work and you have to play the hacker in order to fix them etc… but still for its price its a pretty damn good HOTAS and I’m glad I bought this instead of a Cougar that costs alot more and it can also be subject to a variety of problems.
Where is my poor advice? Point it out for me if you please mr clever. I’m actually the only one here helping this guy, look at my posts, I mentioned important controls that have changed from 4.32 to 4.33, I have mentioned where to look in the manuals section to educate himself for all that there is to know, I mentioned all the original controls and that this is the way that this game is supposed to be played and also I stated that even though that’s true, a lot of people (including me) have found shortcuts in our profiler making, by wasting days in order to find the proper controls and their functionalities, because, some guy in the manual decided that hey, they are going to figure it out themselves… Or they gonna ask the community, **** cares? Right?
If he wants to find pre-made profiles then that’s ok for me. And yes, definitely he should look at the subforums for any kind of support for his HOTAS, I forgot to mention that, thanks.
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You obviously don’t know shit about controllers and give a poor advice as result.
So you must be the smart one here.
Calm down gentlemen, this is clearly a misunderstanding…. (and the word choice is not particularly called for, BTW).
If you want to map primarily the F-16 HOTAS buttons, then yes, Cougar is the king and easiest to setup.
If you have another controller and you want F-16 HOTAS functions in priority (which I think if the best approach, but you do you), you do have to “adapt” the F-16 functions onto your controller. I should know, I did it with a Warthog. And it is also true that if you dont have enough buttons or you need extra stuff (like view controls if no TIR), you have to make choices or rely on shifted functions.
If you want to have a personal setup on your stick with the buttons that arrange you at the place where it suits you, you are also completely free to do so.
To achieve all that, it is indeed perfectly fine to rely on profiles posted on the forum. I do advice to take the time to understand how your stick setup works if you want to tweak it to your particular needs - but yet again, to do that, its a good idea to start from an existing profile.
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Calm down gentlemen, this is clearly a misunderstanding…. (and the word choice is not particularly called for, BTW).
If you want to map primarily the F-16 HOTAS buttons, then yes, Cougar is the king and easiest to setup.
That is the same for any other HOTAS if a good setup file to your liking is available, I do not see any difference or advantage for the Cougar in that respect.
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That is the same for any other HOTAS if a good setup file to your liking is available, I do not see any difference or advantage for the Cougar in that respect.
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Which is what I said : you can adapt another controller to mimic the F-16 HOTAS. That still does not change the fact that the Cougar is a replica of the F-16 HOTAS. I did say that using existing profiles was actually a good start.
I posted here to defuse the situation, yet you piled up on it (cf deleted posts). So how about you take the hint and calm the hell down. Just because you did share your X-55 profile does not make it ok to insult people advising not to use existing profiles.
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First of all I respond to you (as quoted) as the Cougar should be the King : If you want to map primarily the F-16 HOTAS buttons, then yes, Cougar is the king and easiest to setup. ,
and in that respect I gave my opinion that I disagree. X-55 does not need any setup once BMS has a good keyfile, I have mapped all the F-16 Hottas functions too, though some have limitations but that does not make the Cougar a King to me at all. That is an opinion and let’s agree to disagree, just fine to me.I do not need to calm down, I react on accusings.
I found it pretty much disrespectful for all of the profile makers in here to be accused for making some kind of malware, and therefore should be avoided as the pleague, and next and perhaps the worse part of it that as a result of previous an apparantly rookie (in all respect) was advised to make his own profile from scratch.Did I mention my motivation or the X-55 in the first place as you tend to imagine?
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I do not need to calm down, I react on accusings.
I found it pretty much disrespectful for all of the profile makers in here to be accused for making some kind of malware, and therefore should be avoided as the pleague, and next and perhaps the worse part of it that as a result of previous an apparantly rookie (in all respect) was advised to make his own profile from scratch.The only disrespect I see in this thread is from you. All I can see from Nuke is :
@Nuke:yes it would help to know the exact HOTAS and,
no… it’s better for him to sit and make his own. And avoid to use pre programmed profiles cuz sometimes they can waste your whole day and still do nothing… but it’s his choice after all…No “malware” talk, no “pleague”, no accusing. And yes, if you blindly take a preset profile without trying to understand how stuff work, that can be a waste of time - so starting from scratch does have some value. And that is nowhere near an accusation for people who do share profiles.
So stop derailing this thread for nothing if you dont want me to take further action.
EDIT : and since you apparently still cant understand or even respect a moderator decision, you’re getting one week of vacation.
Let’s get this thread back on topic…
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