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    • SLangner
      SLangner last edited by

      On page 156 of the -16CM-1 the diagram showing the upper boom limit for refueling with a KC-135 states that the upper limit is -20 degrees of elevation, and on page 158 it shows the upper limit for refueling with the KC-10 is -25 degrees of elevation. The -135 diagram should also show a -25 degree upper elevation limit.

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      • freedomlover
        freedomlover last edited by

        @SLangner:

        On page 156 of the -16CM-1 the diagram showing the upper boom limit for refueling with a KC-135 states that the upper limit is -20 degrees of elevation, and on page 158 it shows the upper limit for refueling with the KC-10 is -25 degrees of elevation. The -135 diagram should also show a -25 degree upper elevation limit.

        What do you mean there is a mistake in the simulator and it is possible to overcome those limits ?

        I love my ppl, that is all I got

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        • SLangner
          SLangner @freedomlover last edited by

          @freedomlover:

          What do you mean there is a mistake in the simulator and it is possible to overcome those limits ?

          No, a mistake in the documentation.

          In the RW, the boomer would have to initiate a disconnect in the event the upper limit of -25 degrees was violated, even with the AR system in automatic, since the equipment is not programmable and would not disconnect until -20 degrees was violated. I daresay the sim is programmed the same way.

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            PumpyHead @SLangner last edited by

            Those diagrams are taken directly from the ATP-56(B) AIR TO AIR REFUELLING publication (located in the Operational Manuals folder of your install) approved by the NATO Standardization Agency.
            I would hazard to say that the limits are followed in BMS as per that publication.

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            • Red Dog
              Red Dog @PumpyHead last edited by

              No, a mistake in the documentation.

              Yes the real one 🙂

              Red Dog
              Reality if for ppl who can't handle simulation

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              • SLangner
                SLangner @Red Dog last edited by

                Perhaps PumpyHead and Red Dog are correct - I’ve never seen the NATO publication in question. I was remembering the -135 TO, the -3 which covered each type of receiver individually. For the -16 it specified 10L - 10R, 6’IN - 18’OUT, -25UP - -40DN.

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                  Boomer135 @SLangner last edited by

                  For a KC-135 refueling a F-16 all models to include the new Block 60’s with the receptacle set down in the spine its 10R 10L, 20 up 40 Down. At 20 up you get real close to the canopy on the B-D models. The TACAN antenna just behind the receptacle
                  was always a target for some of the young booms. Never hit one myself.

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                    PumpyHead @Boomer135 last edited by

                    In the same NATO publication, there are actually 3 different angles listed depending on the extension of the boom (at least, that’s the way I read it).

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