@RUSHER0600 said in Israel Theater of Operations for BMS 4.37:
@ricnunes 3-4 falcon days
And what’s a Falcon day??
All I know is that a Falcon day is shorter than a DCS one
@RUSHER0600 said in Israel Theater of Operations for BMS 4.37:
@ricnunes 3-4 falcon days
And what’s a Falcon day??
All I know is that a Falcon day is shorter than a DCS one
@DUSTOFF17,
Well yes, during the flight after takeoff and before getting close to the CAP location, I did use autopilot (both ATT and ALT) and I really disengaged it with the paddle switch.
I will try not to use the autopilot and/or not using to paddle switch to disengaged it and will report back, as soon as possible.
EDIT:
I can now confirm that the culprit of this issue is what DUSTOFF17 said:
I made two sorties, both starting from the ramp where in the first one I never used the autopilot and in the second, I used the autopilot but didn’t disengage it using the paddle switch (instead I used the autopilot switches in the cockpit) and I could fire my missiles without any problems!
@Mav-jp said in Delilah missile detected by SA-10 behind hills (makes Delilah useless):
Please fly the same trajectory with your aircraft as tu and check if you are engaged by the sa10 (you should not or course , though the terrain has some « holes »)
Yes, I did precisely that.
And I actually did that by flying at a even somehow higher altitude than what the Delilah missile would fly and I can confirm that I wasn’t detected and neither engaged.
The SA-10 would only detect my F-16 after passing those hills (unless flying too high, of course) while the Delilah missile would always be detected, engaged and destroyed well before passing those hills.
At first glance, it almost looks like the Delilah missile has some sort of a “gigantic RCS” or something like that which is even bigger what any land feature such as hills that may it. Obviously I could be wrong thou.
Is there any forecast to when will this theater be updated in order to be compatible with update 3 (4.37.3)?
As requested, I send below an ACMI that I recorded which I believe shows very clearly the problem/issue:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11G57WBJargF_8-fT2X687Q-r2BvRXz2W/view?usp=sharing
As you can see by watching the ACMI in Tacview, I was flying at an altitude of 2,000 feet (MSL) and the Delilah missiles that I fired were configured to fly at the MSL altitude at the moment when launched from the aircraft, so this means that the first Delilah missile fired was also flying at an altitude of 2,000 feet (MSL).
By viewing both the ACMI and the screenshots that I’ll share below, you can see that the enemy SA-10 missiles fired at the first Delilah missile were fired in a position which would be impossible for any of the SA-10 radars to detect the incoming Delilah missile. Actually the SA-10 radars weren’t able to detect my F-16 which was flying in the same place/route and altitude as the Delilah missile (which again, can also be seen in the screenshots below).
Below you can see in the Delilah missile camera that the SA-10 missiles were fired against the Delilah when the site was completely behind and block by the hills:
Next, you can watch the Delilah missile exploding when hit/intercepted by a SA-10 missile. The location where the Delilah was intercepted was extremely close to my F-16 position and at the same altitude and yet, you can see (watch the RWR) that the SA-10 wasn’t able to detect me:
And then, after passing the point where the Delilah missile was shot down and still at the same altitude, I still wasn’t detected by any SA-10 radars:
Finally, when watching the ACMI file, you can watch another interesting event after firing the second Delilah missile. This missile ended up crashing against a hill which should be blocking the missile from the SA-10 but even thou the SA-10 somehow managed to detect the incoming second Delilah missile just before crashing into the hill (and fired SA-10 missiles at it).
I hope this helps somehow!
Recently I installed Update 1 for BMS 4.37 but unfortunately I was “surprised” that the Rampage missiles (Israel Theater) always missed their targets where previously there wasn’t such problem.
I even followed the Rampage missile flight (via weapon camera) and noticed a very awkward behaviour in which the missile climbed “almost to space” (more than 65,000 feet) and then when near the target dived almost at a 70-80 degree angle towards the target but always missing (short) the intended and designated target - BTW, the targets were designated using the Radar - where previously the Rampage missile flight was clearly ballistic like as expected from a ballistic missile and it hit the intended and designated target without any problems.
I found this to be very strange and then I remembered that I recently updated BMS 4.37 to Update 1 (4.37.1), so what I did was to uninstall BMS 4.37.1 and install it again without updating it and tested the Rampage missile again (now with 4.37.0) and without surprise (I admit) the Rampage missile worked just as expected.
I also found another issue with BMS 4.37.1 (Update 1) which is when you set the countermeasures/CMDS mode to Auto and when the player’s aircraft was tracked by a radar, the jammer didn’t automatically turn ON like it always did. Again with BMS 4.37.0 (without Update 1) the jammer turns automatically ON as expected.
For example you can test this using for example the following mission:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vElM64Qu7VCNNlHtjJjkMh1a111f6ULv/view?usp=share_link
@Mav-jp
That’s strange. What would be the purpose of the CMDS AUTO setting versus for example SEMI, then?
I always thought that AUTO had exactly the purpose of automatically turning the jammer on (together with releasing chaff and flares automatically) whenever needed while with SEMI the ‘consent’ must be given?
Note that I’m not doubting what you’re saying. Just wish to know what’s the diference between SEMI and AUTON then?
Anyway, the main purpose of this thread was to alert about the Rampage missile. Something clearly when wrong with it with the latest update. BTW, can someone else confirm this?
@Leech
Thanks for the reply and explanation!
I though that dispensing (either in SEMI or AUTO) was based on the dispensing program selected (1 to 4) and not on RWR threat sensing?
@pgk007 said in SA10 vs SDB or JSOW:
I didn’t mention JDAM bombs because they are relatively easy to shoot down with modern short range systems and it was not related to this topic.
Actually there’s nothing that indicates that JDAM’s are relatively easy to be shot down.
Flying slow does and can present an extra challenge for a radar to lock on as it can be seen over Ukraine where even the most advanced Russian Air Defence Systems have had a harm time to shot down even something like a loitering Bayraktar TB2 UAV which has a quite larger RCS than a JDAM.
Moreover the RCS of a JDAM is very small since we are talking about a “cone-shaped” with a relatively small diameter coming directly but not so fast (presents a challenge to pulse-doppler radars).
On top of this, many (or today most) Air Defence Systems also use other means of detection, namelly IR sensors and here (in the IR spectrum) the JDAM is far more stealthier than any missile (due to having much less heat).
SDBs and JSOWs are obviously even harder to be detected and shot down by enemy Air Defence Systems than JDAMs (due to lower RCS).
@pgk007 said in SA10 vs SDB or JSOW:
Actually TB2 is not good example of hard target. Over 20 was lost in Ukraine and this equipment is really overrated . It can operated only in area without ECM coverage and without basic AD.
Well, losing 20 (or a bit more) slow but not so small TB2 UAVs during a full year of conventional war against an enemy (Russia) well equipped with Air Defence Systems is IMO not that bad. Not bad at at all.
A clear situation that shown that even something like the TB2 is not that easy to be shot down was during the battle for the “Snake island” where Ukrainian TB2s were able to destroy SA-15s and Pantsir Air Defence Systems thus paving the way to subsequent manned fighter aircraft attack (like for example Su-27s) and later on, allowing the Ukrainians to retake the island.
Of course and obviously a JDAM is much, much harder to be shot down compared to a TB2 UAV.