TUSBA R2+TM Cougar Throttle - 1st time installation PROBLEM (HELP)
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Hello Focaldesign,
I tried on another PC and DCC recognizes TUSBA R2 and it actually can update de firmware (“TUSBA_TQS_R2_V1_06.TUSBA”) but the problem is the same, I can’t calibrate the throttle. I have no Throttle axis. All the buttons and other axes are recognized, except for the throttle axis.
I forgot to mention that I have Windows 7 64 bit installed on my main PC, but the problem is the same on my other PC with W7 32 bits.
I wrote to realsimulator.com about this issue. -
RealSimulator also has a forum for owners of its products. You might be able to get help more quickly there. It can be found here:
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I also had problem with the Throttle axis, but i did a calibration in Windows, and then i was working fine, i think its important how you position your throttle before you press ok, i followed the TUSBA R2 manual that could be found on realsimulators website
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Hello Dafne,
I’ll try to calibrate the Throttle in Windows. I contacted to Real Simulator and told them also that when I move the “ANT ELEV” knob and I reach the mid position, the Throttle axis starts to move. Is like the thrust is controlled by the Antena Elevation knob.
Realsimulator toldme that it is possible that my Throttle has a problem and I have to test the pins of Throttle and Antena Elevation in order to identify a malfunction. -
RealSimulator also has a forum for owners of its products. You might be able to get help more quickly there. It can be found here:
Thanks for the input Ssnake51. I’ll post the issue.
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I had a problem develop with mine after one of the R2 firmware updates - problem being that some of the axis labels in the HID_DEV_TOOL didn’t match up with the labeling/references in BMS Setup…I had to noodle around to get things properly assigned and working, but I did. Wish I could remember which firmware update broke the assignment labeling, but I know that 1.06 didn’t fix it.
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I had a problem develop with mine after one of the R2 firmware updates - problem being that some of the axis labels in the HID_DEV_TOOL didn’t match up with the labeling/references in BMS Setup…I had to noodle around to get things properly assigned and working, but I did. Wish I could remember which firmware update broke the assignment labeling, but I know that 1.06 didn’t fix it.
That’s exactly what I’m having with my TUSBA R2, well, that’s one of the issues, the axis labels don’t match (there’s no throttle axis label). The thing I’m most afraid of, is that the cause of why the ANT ELEV knob controls both throttle and antena elevation axis would be a malfunction on my Cougar Throttle and I don’t have a Cougar stick to test how it works.
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I also had problem with the Throttle axis, but i did a calibration in Windows, and then i was working fine, i think its important how you position your throttle before you press ok, i followed the TUSBA R2 manual that could be found on realsimulators website
RegardsI tried calibrating on windows, but that didn’t work.
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Is it possible, that you have to setup Cougar Firmware to standard settings before you connect the TUSBA? Only a guess…
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Is it possible, that you have to setup Cougar Firmware to standard settings before you connect the TUSBA? Only a guess…
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The firmware in the Cougar is held in the Stick base. As a TUSBA connects to the throttle TM firmware isn’t an issue.
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After having the support from Real Simulator, they told me that, first of all, I had to check if the problem was originated by TUSBA R2 adapter or the Throttle. To do this, with a little wire I connected the different pins of the TUSBA R2 to the 0V and 5V pins in order to see the response to the different inputs were OK. Doing this, all the axis appeared to work fine, so now I would have to figure out what’s the problem with the Throttle.
They told me that the most probable cause for this malfunction would that the potentiometer of the Throttle axis is in bad conditions :(, so I would have to replace it.
As I purchased the throttle on eBay, I will ask the seller to change the product, but in case that isn´t possible I would like to know if anyone of you have the experience of changing any potentiometer on the Cougar Throttle.
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Check using the calibrator or the RealSim software and see if the ANT ELEV wheel and any of the buttons/axis are cross-talking. I have three Cougar throttles, and I know I had problems with cross-talk in one of them until I replaced the ANT ELEV pot (which also made the detent much better)…this one I’d been experimenting with by converting it to stand-alone use using a Bodner board, which actually isn’t to hard if you break into it at the cable connector. I use this one with FAF on my Mac, and a Warthog throttle.
The other two also could use new ANT ELEV pots, and I have them but haven’t swapped them in yet. One is a factory-fresh USAF surplus one that I got off E-bay - that’s the one I use with my R2. The other is the one that came with my “pre-owned” Cougar - that one REALLY needs a new ANT ELEV pot to get the detent to even be detectable.
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After I removed the Throttle potentiometer and test the resistence values of it in different possitions, I realized this doesn´t work properly. Actually, I noted the carbon made track is in bad shape. Therefore, I would need to buy a brand new potentiometer in order to finally use the Throttle on Falcon BMS.
Where can I order Hotas Cougar pots?. I asked to Cougar World site and they told me they are out (at least that was what they told me after contacting them through their site). I requested assistance to Thrustmaster Tech Support and I’m waiting for their response.
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all though I have not searched for a replacement pot. there are several threads in here on changing the pot with a hall sensor modification.
which in the end is better than a pot any way -
The replacement pot for the Cougar TQS throttle axis is a CTS P/N 251B15F104B6NB. If you can find one of those be hunting, then you are good to go. Otherwise, I think you can contact Thrustmaster Support directly and get one.
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The replacement pot for the Cougar TQS throttle axis is a CTS P/N 251B15F104B6NB. If you can find one of those be hunting, then you are good to go. Otherwise, I think you can contact Thrustmaster Support directly and get one.
Thank you Stevie. I contacted Thrustmaster Tech Support two days ago but I haven’t had response yet. I’ve been reading posts saying that Thrustmaster Tech Support don’t use to respond as quickly as it should be.
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After sending a pair of messages more to Thrustmaster without having respose and trying to find the pots on the internet with no success, I came up with the idea of open a Thrustmaster T.FlightX joystick that I had, hoping its throttle pot could work as a spare of the Cougar pot, and guess what, it worked :D.
But, for some reason, neither Windows 7 and Falcon BMS can recognize the existence of throttle axis. When I go to the Windows game controller setting tool, the following 6 axes appear:
1. Z axis
2. X Rotation
3. Y Rotation
4. Z Rotation
5. Dial
6. SliderNone of these corresponds to the Throttle axis.
Similar thing occurs on Falcon BMS. The difference is that the axes that appear are:
1. X Axis - TUSBA TQS R2 (2)
2. Y Axis - TUSBA TQS R2 (2)
3. Z Axis - TUSBA TQS R2 (2)
4. X Rotation - TUSBA TQS R2 (2)
5. Y Rotation - TUSBA TQS R2 (2)
6. Z Rotation - TUSBA TQS R2 (2)
7. Dial - TUSBA TQS R2 (2)
8. Slider - TUSBA TQS R2 (2)None of these axes works as throttle.
Do you have an idea of how can I make the throttle axis work?
Kind regards.
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Guys. I came across the same issues as u mentioned above and
i was able to solve them by doing these easy steps.1. Unplug all usb controllers and “clean” all unplugged usb
devices. (There is a clean usb utility within the driver booster software
tho there are other similar softwares as well.)2. Perform a clean of all calibration axis stored in windows using the clean calibration utility from Logitech.
Since it’s an older software u have to run it in windows vista mode using administration privileges.3. Plug all your controllers in a power 2.0 usb hub.
4. Download the latest firmware from realsimulator and perform an update of
your tusbaAfter that using the RS_HID_DEV_TOOL u calibrate the throttle following the instructions
in the manual and setting the deadzones within the cursor axis limits. If necessary u manually increase them till
there is no more cursor drifting.That’s all my friends. See you in the virtual skies
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One of reasons this Windows contoller cleaning is needed, is because one should t use the Windows control panel calibration routine for TM controllers. Once the Windows calibration is done, often the TM CCP and Tusba and BMS controller calibration and setups cannot work properly. Another way of saying it is, my experience is to only use the TM CCP for the Cougar TQS, not the Windows calibration routine. Then the TUSBA routine.