Online play against others?
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I used to play Falcon 3.0 and about the only thing I found fun and exciting was playing against other real people via the online combat games.
Funny thing is, after a couple years I noticed two unfortunate things… First, there were a lot of cheaters. People flying invisible planes, invincible planes, and planes that didn’t even look like planes. In fact, I think I remember seeing a football flying around launching missiles at people… Oh, and then there’s the unlimited missiles cheat code too. The second thing I noticed was a rapidly declining number of players online at any one time. We used to have 10 or more people in a game and dozens of games going… then it declined to just one or two… then it was lucky if you joined a game an anyone was there to fight with.
This is quite peculiar. I used to compete at William Tell for Falcon 3.0 and never seen the things that you speak of here. I remember the challenger having to pay the phone bill for overseas engagements; it was really a lot of fun back then. As for “cheat codes” etc there have been none that existed in that manner. I believe in the standard settings for a game the host could choose unlimited weapons, which the same is available in F4, but the client has to accept those settings. The decline of Falcon 3.0 players I didn’t notice either, although the anticipation of F4 releasing was really high, we all moved to it upon release. I’ve been flying F4 online since the spring of 1999, and in all these years I could count ‘cheaters’ on one hand…and these particular individuals were noted pretty quick and became a non issue.
Falcon is more of a ‘sharing knowledge’ community, rather than a self centered glorification arena…which is common in many other games. The ability to simulate real world tactics and doctrine here is fantastic,and one of the many reasons F4 persists, successfully.
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This is quite peculiar. I used to compete at William Tell for Falcon 3.0 and never seen the things that you speak of here. I remember the challenger having to pay the phone bill for overseas engagements; it was really a lot of fun back then. As for “cheat codes” etc there have been none that existed in that manner. I believe in the standard settings for a game the host could choose unlimited weapons, which the same is available in F4, but the client has to accept those settings. The decline of Falcon 3.0 players I didn’t notice either, although the anticipation of F4 releasing was really high, we all moved to it upon release. I’ve been flying F4 online since the spring of 1999, and in all these years I could count ‘cheaters’ on one hand…and these particular individuals were noted pretty quick and became a non issue.
Falcon is more of a ‘sharing knowledge’ community, rather than a self centered glorification arena…which is common in many other games. The ability to simulate real world tactics and doctrine here is fantastic,and one of the many reasons F4 persists, successfully.
I flew H2H BBS in the UK hosted by Leon ‘Badboy’ Smith back in F3 days, and would echo much of what KV has just said. Unfortunately though, if was DID EF2000 that saw the demise of F3 for us. Cheating was never an issue on H2H BBS - those who did/tried were quickly identified and removed from the rosters.
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When I played Falcon3, I never had the opportunity to go to a private server… it was always the public servers… I’m not sure how you guys didn’t see cheating if you got onto the public servers as there was at least 1 totally ridiculous and obvious cheater for every three or four players… I saw a freaking football flying through the air shooting people down…They called them “Skins” back then. I once saw a guy being shot down by bullets flying from a point in space where there was nothing there. Invisibility plane!! I just got sick and tired of it.
I understand your folks desire to simulate the real deal… but I also wonder where you draw the line… Please tell me that none of you are peeing into bags or putting snack bars into your pockets…
As for my take on this… I’m not into the simulation as much as the chess game that develops when a gun fight gets going. Pushing one button or another in some predetermined procedural order may have its place in real life, and its probably a nice thing to be familiar with when your life is on the line, but I’d rather pit my flight skills (or lack of!) against others in a variety of combat situations.
I watched a youtube video of a guy flying a mission… started off in a hanger , taxi out to the tarmac, then sits in line behind five or six other F16’s for what seemed like 10 minutes while each went through clearance to take off… From my perspective, I’d rather spend time kicking my daughters butt in a pillow fight or taking her for a ride on the tractor rather than sit in line in a video game. Let me say that again so it sinks in… “Waiting In Line In A Video Game!!” Just not my cup of tea…
I look forward to getting my hardware upgraded… Going to pick up an i5-2500K processor with an Asus mother board this afternoon… It will be another week before I see a video card though so no fear… I’m not flying online combat yet. I’m spending my time reading this forum, asking dumb questions, and watching youtube video’s to learn how to get my $800 plane into the air so I can shoot someone down, or get shot down!
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Choose a V squadron from here, which fits your needs/time and join it, and have fun my friend:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18057-List-of-Virtual-Fighter-Wings-and-Squadrons&p=259248&viewfull=1#post259248 -
Please tell me that none of you are peeing into bags or putting snack bars into your pockets…
Well, as for the snack bars… When you have to refuel (again) at the end of a 3-hour mission, sometimes some quick influx of sugar does help.
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Choose a V squadron from here, which fits your needs/time and join it, and have fun my friend:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18057-List-of-Virtual-Fighter-Wings-and-Squadrons&p=259248&viewfull=1#post259248Wow… that’s one heck of a list. Thanks!
I can’t wait to get this computer upgraded and get into this…
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Well, as for the snack bars… When you have to refuel (again) at the end of a 3-hour mission, sometimes some quick influx of sugar does help.
Weak Sauce.
…who needs a bag?
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:munch: I have one of them chairs.
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Yes, there are absolutely people out there who cheat in BMS. Whether by editing database values or exploiting the missile code, they exist.
However that should not stop you from joining an online squad or wing. Having a group of people to fly with and learn with is the most fun I think anyone can have with this sim.
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Yes, there are absolutely people out there who cheat in BMS. Whether by editing database values or exploiting the missile code, they exist.
Lowest of the low.
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Yes, there are absolutely people out there who cheat in BMS. Whether by editing database values or exploiting the missile code, they exist.
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But there not hard to pick after flying with / against for a period.
Some one we all know, but is not here anymore thought the F-22 should have a even smaller CSA. Didn’t take long before I searched the DB and found the extra decimal place.
Cheaters aren’t usually very smart
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That is awesome footage. Really enjoyed watching this.
That’s a very cool video but I have questions…
The guy who engaged over the bridge had (or could have had) the enemy (mig11?) within his eegs funnel at close range on two different occasions and didn’t even attempt to fire his gun either time… Why?My second question is why did he let his speed bleed off to just over 200 knots? Correct me if I’m wrong but once your drop below 300 to 350 you lose a lot of turn rate. I see it all the time in youtube video’s… two planes end up circling like a dog chasing its tail and neither ends up with enough air speed to do anything useful.
Am I missing something or am I picking out legitimate mistakes?
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…. he let his speed bleed off to just over 200 knots? Correct me if I’m wrong but once your drop below 300 to 350 you lose a lot of turn rate. I see it all the time in youtube video’s… two planes end up circling like a dog chasing its tail and neither ends up with enough air speed to do anything useful.
Am I missing something or am I picking out legitimate mistakes?
AI tend to devolve in to a low speed, low altitude turn circle. If you ‘play their game’, that’s where you’ll end up too. Deny the premise …. you don’t have to play that game.
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There are not many Falcon 3.0 pilots, realizing there is a bug in Falcon Gold CD. The MP F-18 Hornet model is missing. MP models are different geometry compared to SP models. When the game was updated (since 3.01 i think), ACs got transparent canopies and markings. But MP models remain the same since the begining…they are stored elsewhere.
So due to the BUG, human driven bug (hornet) is invisible in MP (Falcon Gold CD install). That is why I say - the best Falcon 3.0 (+ datadiscs) version is the FLOPPY version, updated to 3.05. I have it, and everything is OK (no invisible planes).