F-18 C/D, USS Vinson, Yellow Sea
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Since when Jane’s series have a 3D clickable cockpit ?
Jane’s F-18 has a 3D clickable cockpit. If I remember correct it’s one of the first released sims that featured a clickable 3D pit.
The F-18 cockpit in BMS looks fine for me. I would only like the hud to be the same size as the F-16 pit. Seems that rescaling the hud to smaller sizes creates issues with readability etc. F-16 and F-18 have a fairly similar cockpit layout, so I wonder why the hud was downsized compared to the F-16.
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Yes, I made it. But it not completed. (sorry my english is not enough :rolleyes: )
Your English is just fine Would you be willing to share the paint either publicly or privately?
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The F-18 cockpit in BMS looks fine for me.
I know its not a fair comparison being different sims but if you check my youtube link and go into the F18 from FSX videos you will see what I mean.
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I haven’t flown the F-18 a lot in BMS. Only took it out for a few quick test runs and some quick carrier launches and traps. So I didn’t pay much attention to the cockpit. So the cockpit mostly didn’t bother me. The only thing that did is the smaller hud compared to the F-16…oh and the ejection seat looking to the rear, which seems to be way too big and block too much from you rearward visibility. But that’s something that bothers me with the F-16 too. Although in the F-16 it’s not the seat itself but the black area behind the seat… I never sat in a real F-16 cockpit, but sometimes it seems to me that the eye level in the F-16 to the rear is a bit too low.
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It’s not the eye-level that is low, but rather that the cockpit model is slightly rotated with the front lower than the rear. This may be corrected in future versions.
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ah, that explains it, thanks!
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oh and the ejection seat looking to the rear, which seems to be way too big and block too much from you rearward visibility.
This is realistic.
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I know its not a fair comparison being different sims but if you check my youtube link and go into the F18 from FSX videos you will see what I mean.
TBH it sucks too… very cartoonish
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TBH it sucks too… very cartoonish
Perhaps, but that’s FSuX…however, still better than what BMS has…nobody’s fault as I say.
BTW the 16 pit in 4.33 frickin rox!
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This is realistic.
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This is realistic.
Not really:
This is the view I have looking back in the F-18 compared to some youtube video’s of a real F-18. To be fair, I don’t have trackIR and I understand that with trackIR you can look around the seat better. But it still looks too big.
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Not really:
This is the view I have looking back in the F-18 compared to some youtube video’s of a real F-18. To be fair, I don’t have trackIR and I understand that with trackIR you can look around the seat better. But it still looks too big.
That real life picture is not a good assessment tool. The lens taking the picture is a very short “fisheye” lens that distorts much of the view. If the picture were taken with a lens length comparable to the human eye, you would not get the view you see.
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That real life picture is not a good assessment tool. The lens taking the picture is a very short “fisheye” lens that distorts much of the view. If the picture were taken with a lens length comparable to the human eye, you would not get the view you see.
Yeah, I know. It’s not a very fair comparison, but it’s still clear enough that you should be able to see more to the rear. Compare this to the size of the seat in the F-16 cockpit in the sim. The size of the F-16 seat seems fine, this one does not. This is blocking too much of your view. Look at the image below looking at the F-18 pilot. The seat is not wider than the pilot’s head/helmet. In the bms pit it looks like it is. And like I said, I understand that with trackIR it’s easier to look around the seat and it’s better. But I don’t have trackIR and am limited to the views posted in the image above.
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Look at the image below looking at the F-18 pilot. The seat is not wider than the pilot’s head/helmet.
Again, that is an illusion created by the head/helmet some distance in front of the seat and the fisheye lens. If the pilot had his head all the way back into the seat headrest, you would see that it is a bit wider than head/helmet.
As you stated, trackIR is a solution, however, you can do something similar holding the mouse-wheel button and panning with the mouse to look around the seat. Yes, it is awkward, but it works.
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Yes, Ok, The seat is slightly wider than the pilot’s head/helmet. The point I’m trying to make (and perhaps doing a poor job of it) is that if you’d be sitting in the real jet and look behind you, the seat wouldn’t be blocking your view like it does in the screenshots. In BMS I can’t see the rear of the jet at all in the F-18. The F-16 pit in BMS is much closer to what I would expect to see when I look behind me (apart from it being slightly rotated that you mentioned yesterday). And in the F-16 I don’t need trackIR or the mouse wheel to look around the seat. So in the F-18 I would expect a similar view to the rear as the F-16. I don’t mean to sound too negative, because I know that a lot of hard work goes into all of this and I respect all the developers who put in their time and effort to create these wonderful models for all of us to fly. I just think that this is one small area that could be improved in the F-18 cockpit which overall I think is quite good.
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Visibility is also a small problem, negated only by the lower G-loadings that allow a pilot to maneuver in the cockpit to get a better view without risking a severe neck injury. The seat sits high and is mostly in the way, which can limit the pilot’s view while looking back in a defensive setup or after merging in high aspect dogfighting (neutral).
http://fightersweep.com/2378/hornet-vs-viper-part-four/
Look for some cockpit footage of the Hornet performing ACM, the pilot does a lot of twisting around to see behind.
Regards
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Just a little question without link, but it’s possible to increase the visibility on the UFC ? If not, what’s the problem for that ?
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Yes, I know the pilot does a lot of twisting around and that the rear view in an F-18 is not as good as an F-16. But it’s not this bad either. Just look at the pictures in the article of your link. You can see quite a lot to the back of the aircraft. Yes, I realise the camera is mounted on the canopy frame and it’s not at pilot eye level and that you’re looking through a camera lens. But the view to the back is not as bad as it is in the BMS cockpit. This is the view when you look in the direction of your wingtip:
This is the same view in the F-16:
In the F-18 I can’t even see the wing! No way that when you turn your head in the direction of the wingtip that the ejection seat blocks 3/4 of your view. While I have not sat in a real F-18 or F-16 cockpit, I have sat in real ejection seats. And I sat in the F-14 simulator they have at Pax River museum. Granted that was an F-14 cockpit and simulator, but the cockpit and seats were real. And the view to the rear is simply not this bad.
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If you have a Track IR or other 6 DOF headtracking, I advise to check the settings - I personally see the wing just fine with default panning (TIR not activated) :