Falcon Combat: Air-to-Air Help
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Unfortunately, far too many people i know use the cruise control exclusively for that
As Deejay says though, it should be use of your eyes to see what you are doing and your left hand to fix what you are doing.
Yeah but in the car its easier to control your speed by pushing a certain level on the pedal for the speed you want, in the sim, no matter how you adjust your throttle stick it will always give you more or less, never a fixed measure… are you sure there is no autopilot setting inside the cockpit ?
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Yeah but in the car its easier to control your speed by pushing a certain level on the pedal for the speed you want, in the sim, no matter how you adjust your throttle stick it will always give you more or less, never a fixed measure… are you sure there is no autopilot setting inside the cockpit ?
Actualy, you are wrong. It is exactly the same in the plane than in the car. The only thing you do is looking the leader. There is a position of reference you have to keep anytime, a soon as you observe any deviance tendency, you correct it with small input … etc … search on the forum, there are plenty of advices and explanations for Air-Air Refuelling which is basically formation flight.
Auto-throttle (when exist and except specific devices not present yet by default on fighter jet) is unable to detect position deviance and is not precise enouth to keep exactly the same speed than another aircraft (areo data are not exactly the same between two a/c) …
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Yeah but in the car its easier to control your speed by pushing a certain level on the pedal for the speed you want, in the sim, no matter how you adjust your throttle stick it will always give you more or less, never a fixed measure… are you sure there is no autopilot setting inside the cockpit ?
It requires training, but flying in formation only requires your eyes on the leader. You dont even need the HUD. Refueling, same thing.
Basically, training will allow you to reach a point where when you see your leader moving a certain way, you automatically know which controls to play on. You say a car is easier because you are more used to a car, that’s all.
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Google search for FAST FKG (Formation Knowledge Guide) might help with that.
Basics there is just pushing the throttle up when the leader is moving backwards on the canopy, and pulling it back when he is moving forwards. Eventually you get a point where only small adjustments are required.
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Unfortunately, far too many people i know use the cruise control exclusively for that :(.
Driving in the highway … Yep, but I do not think they will do the same trying to keep a 2m spacing between the cars.
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Driving in the highway … Yep, but I do not think they will do the same trying to keep a 2m spacing between the cars.
You would be disappointed in our drivers
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You would be disappointed in our drivers
… Or impressed by your car’s speed regulators! (?)
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So whats the best way to align with fellow comrades in the air then for any formation ?
Lots of practice, since you are actually learning a new motor skill (precision formation flying). Using aforementioned example of driving in traffic, when you are in “formation” with other nearby cars, your hands constantly move the steering wheel ever so slightly while the foot makes similar small adjustments with the pedals without conscious thought. The main reason you can already drive a car this way is because you’ve already logged many hours doing it. The two main differences between car and plane is altitude component and lack of a visible road to contend with. So, now all you need to do is log some flight time with precision formation flying to add that skill to your repertoire.
How are you at inflight refueling (IFR)? If you haven’t “got it” yet, this is a good place to start practice of precision formation flying. Just keep practicing it and you’ll notice yourself getting increasingly better at it. It might take you a 5 attempts or it might take you 50. Keep at it and you’ll eventually get it. Caveat, it’s harder in the sim than in real world because of limited visual FOV/acuity/clues, 3D world is still a 2D monitor, no sense of motion, etc. This increased difficulty doesn’t matter since the skill is still one that can be mastered. The main reason to not use autopilot for precision formation flying is it’s a crutch that will prolong the learning experience. That 's not to say AP is totally useless. Switch it on if you are lead or if you are wing in one of the much looser formations.
ILS landing in bad weather is another example of precision flying that is mastered with much practice. Keep doing it until your scan of pertinent instruments gets faster and wider and the hands and feet automatically react accordingly be making continuously small adjustments to the controls.
Last but still important…enjoy the learning process. As in the RW, flying in BMS isn’t just about deploying weapons. Who knows, maybe one day you’ll be doing this (no AP used here!)…
http://www.virtualblueangels.com/
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You can tell a good wingman his neck isn’t straight and he walks right shoulder first.
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Lots of practice, since you are actually learning a new motor skill (precision formation flying). Using aforementioned example of driving in traffic, when you are in “formation” with other nearby cars, your hands constantly move the steering wheel ever so slightly while the foot makes similar small adjustments with the pedals without conscious thought. The main reason you can already drive a car this way is because you’ve already logged many hours doing it. The two main differences between car and plane is altitude component and lack of a visible road to contend with. So, now all you need to do is log some flight time with precision formation flying to add that skill to your repertoire.
How are you at inflight refueling (IFR)? If you haven’t “got it” yet, this is a good place to start practice of precision formation flying. Just keep practicing it and you’ll notice yourself getting increasingly better at it. It might take you a 5 attempts or it might take you 50. Keep at it and you’ll eventually get it. Caveat, it’s harder in the sim than in real world because of limited visual FOV/acuity/clues, 3D world is still a 2D monitor, no sense of motion, etc. This increased difficulty doesn’t matter since the skill is still one that can be mastered. The main reason to not use autopilot for precision formation flying is it’s a crutch that will prolong the learning experience. That 's not to say AP is totally useless. Switch it on if you are lead or if you are wing in one of the much looser formations.
ILS landing in bad weather is another example of precision flying that is mastered with much practice. Keep doing it until your scan of pertinent instruments gets faster and wider and the hands and feet automatically react accordingly be making continuously small adjustments to the controls.
Last but still important…enjoy the learning process. As in the RW, flying in BMS isn’t just about deploying weapons. Who knows, maybe one day you’ll be doing this (no AP used here!)…
Well practically speaking I can have an ice cream, speak on my phone and drive with two given hands thankfully.
Maybe I can do the same with my Lead pilot as well one day
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You can tell a good wingman his neck isn’t straight and he walks right shoulder first.
Or when he knows how to throw a good story or two about you infront of the ladies
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Or when he knows how to throw a good story or two about you infront of the ladies
Ah yes, the TRUE meaning of “wingman”!
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Only acceptable calls from Two:
1. Lead, you’re on fire.
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@ avk123
Look here, the video of the Swiss patrol:
Using your mouse in the 3D vid, look how the pilot is working the throttle and the stick …
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You forgot one:
“2!”
Only acceptable calls from Two:
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You forgot one:
“2!”
Well your wingman can also “check your six” when someone is cock blocking you by taking the cock block’s attention away from you and your target, check six.
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Thats the result of good comm,
… no comms are needed in a two ship formation. (even not in a 8 ship formation, but it is easier for “external wings” who has much more amplitude and need more anticipation over internal wing).
when your wingman is a PC regulated AI
Arf, IA is IA.
Is a bit more difficult as IA are less progressive.
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That is some superb flying skills, especially in the landing one. I would have died for sure!