Question on ILS landing with instruments
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Wrong, yes we can have non collocated to airports TACAN stations inside Falcon BMS 4.32.
Just wait a little to see them inside the new Aegean theater ;).
Nikos.I actually never played Aegean, but good to know !
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Do the TACAN without airbase really exist in BMS?
Not in 4.32
Wrong, yes we can have non collocated to airports TACAN stations inside Falcon BMS 4.32.
Just wait a little to see them inside the new Aegean theater ;).
Nikos.I think that question was related to my maps - most specifically Korea certainly?
IMHO
donât bother creating unexisting airbase to have a tacan
that will be much more elegant (and safer to code) once 4.33 is released ⌠for those who can waitfor thos who canât no problem - spend the time doing it and be ready to redo it once 4.32 disappear
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@Red:
I think that question was related to my maps - most specifically Korea certainly?
IMHO
donât bother creating unexisting airbase to have a tacan
that will be much more elegant (and safer to code) once 4.33 is released ⌠for those who can waitfor thos who canât no problem - spend the time doing it and be ready to redo it once 4.32 disappear
Thank you for the infos.
I already added some of them, so if i have the luck that the Aegean theater be conformal with the upcoming BMS 4.33, then no problem for me to do it again ;).
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I fly BMS 4.33 and in Balkan theatre, I find out the f-16 I was flying did not have the usual nav/ILS /tacan switch on the HSI. It was an F-16 Cm 50 block. I have search the forum for a related discussion but could not find any, the place is blank . Read the manual where it says some aircraft use the EGI system for navigation alignment. Can someone help me out on where the switch to nav tacan and ILS.
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Click the M button on the EHSI
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Sir. To make this easier. Go and type VOR training in google. That is basically what this is. imagine a radio beacon with 360 degree transmission. Each transmission line is known as a radial. now as a plane flying to that 360 Degree beacon you can choose any one of those Radials to fly on and to the beacon. All you do by adjusting the course Knob is tell your VOR is which radial you choose to use to fly to it. You can choose any radial and you will have to fly towards the radial to meet up with it then turn towards the heading towards the VOR. For ILS the procedure is the same except for 2 things. Firstly you canât just fly any radial to the VOR since a runway has only two headings which are directly opposite to each other when you look at it with a compass. The second difference is that the ILS-VOR (lets just call it that for now ) also projects a Glide Slope. The glide slope is simply the descent path that is optimum for landing. You use the Radial which is the vertical line to line up with the runway and you use the glide slope to basically line your descent to follow the glide slope in. You will also notice lights on the left of the runway heading you are landing on. some people call them VASI lights some call it PAPI light they are just basically 2-4 lights that go from green to red. You have to have equal red and green lights to know you are on the correct glideslope. You canât see them in bad weather they are meant more for visual approaches.
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VASI and PAPI are two different things, actually, not a difference in naming convention but two different types of approach lighting.
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At quachimba:
Hi there my friend.
Well it is good to not advise if you havenât the proper knowledge as also when you are not 100% sure about your suggestions.
So letâs see together your mistakes:-
By you âYou use the Radial which is the vertical line to line up with the runwayâ, Wrong!
Radial is always a radial, and IF the NavAid (TACAN or VORTAC or VOR/DME) isnât at the perfect extension of the runway centerline, then none radial can line you up with the runway!
You confuse this with the ILS Localizer that actually line up a plane with the runway centerline. -
By you âYou will also notice lights on the left of the runwayâ, Wrong!
The specific lights can be on the left, on the right or even both at left and right of the runway. -
By you âsome people call them VASI lights some call it PAPI light they are just basically 2-4 lights that go from green to red.â, Wrong!
It is not up to us to call something in whatever we want to at air navigation! We have VASI lights and PAPI lights, they are not the same ones and each one has a unique functionality. Also they can be white and red, and not green!
Nikos.
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The radial i meant for the ils is the vertical line in your HSI when you are in ILS but i said you canât choose any radial for a runway since it is only in two directions. I donât see what was wrong with that i was comparing a normal VOR navigation and showing the similarity of it with an ILS i said the only addition is the Glideslope but it is the vertical line on your HSI that you line up for the runway. The glide slope is the horizontal line that will show up once you are in range. I donât see anything wrong with showing a comparison to a VOR radial that is why i used those terms specifically.
The lights are generally to the left of the runway. Yes Maybe at times it is on both or on the right but generally it is left unless something requires it to be on any other side or both sides. I donât think that is such a big deal it was just something to help with since no one else mentioned anything.
VASI and PAPI are different but iâm not trying to point that out. Iâm trying to point out the function of the lights and what they are used for. Iâm sorry if me saying green and red is such a big problem for you. Again Iâm pointing out how these lights work and the difference in colour that you will see for it. I guess itâs white and red in some places.
Iâm not talking to a person like they are an experienced pilot or anything. My whole point here is to explain something compared to something else that they might understand. What i said about VORâs and Radials and ILS isnât wrong at all. You are just being very technical. The content of the message explains it exactly as i said it.
Thanks for your concern. and your ample amount of exclamation marks which were not needed.
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quachimba,
You still persist on meanings and ideas that you are out of knowledge.
Anyone with serious knowledge about the matters that you talk about can understand if you are right or wrong.
My point was not to attack to you or to your words. This is what you donât understand.
My point was to tell you to not advise when you donât know something for sure or very well, that is obvious. You said âI guess itâs white and red in some placesâ, so can you tell me in which country they are green?
Your exact words are by quotes in my post as also the exactly real status that i explain.
It is up to you if you want to accept this.
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Quachimba is saying that ILS localizer is analogous to VOR radial. From a mechanical viewpoint this isnât true. The operating principles for VOR azimuth and ILS localizer information are very different. Using proper vocabulary they are different because VOR has radials but ILS never does. But! But from a conceptual point of view the ILS localizer is just like a VOR that is stuck on a single radial. In this one aspect itâs an effective analogy but as we know from people that try to turn the CRS knob to affect the LOC deflection itâs a dangerous one for the first two inaccuracies.
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Quachimba is saying that ILS localizer is analogous to VOR radial. From a mechanical viewpoint this isnât true. The operating principles for VOR azimuth and ILS localizer information are very different. Using proper vocabulary they are different because VOR has radials but ILS never does. But! But from a conceptual point of view the ILS localizer is just like a VOR that is stuck on a single radial. In this one aspect itâs an effective analogy but as we know from people that try to turn the CRS knob to affect the LOC deflection itâs a dangerous one for the first two inaccuracies.
Honestly i will never understand why some people spend time in order to say something that isnât precise, real as also that needs imagination and guessing from others in order to get the exact meaning of it!
No need to add something, my specific 3 quoted phrases by the specific member are wrong. This is truth and real and i already gave correct answers for them.
Now you are free to think and try to translate whatever you want. But if you want, at least respect the fact that you can confuse some members here that ask and want some infos, some real and precise infos without guessing and confusion.
If you want to talk about VORs, why some others should guess that this can be found into a talking for ILS?
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Lets sum-up in a very simple way:
VOR is multidirectional.
ILS is unidirectional (or at some point, let say bi-directional)Does everybody agree with this?
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Quachimba is saying that ILS localizer is analogous to VOR radial. From a mechanical viewpoint this isnât true. The operating principles for VOR azimuth and ILS localizer information are very different. Using proper vocabulary they are different because VOR has radials but ILS never does. But! But from a conceptual point of view the ILS localizer is just like a VOR that is stuck on a single radial. In this one aspect itâs an effective analogy but as we know from people that try to turn the CRS knob to affect the LOC deflection itâs a dangerous one for the first two inaccuracies.
I guess you arenât getting my point. Some people donât understand things the way you describe them. Thats why repeating yourself doesnât make them understand it better. He was confused as to what was being said so i explained it another way. If you people just like to jump on people who you think say something wrong then thatâs your choice. None of it was intended for anyone else but the poster and i was explaining it by comparing something else so he could see what was meant in other terms.
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Honestly i will never understand why some people spend time in order to say something that isnât precise, real as also that needs imagination and guessing from others in order to get the exact meaning of it!
No need to add something, my specific 3 quoted phrases by the specific member are wrong. This is truth and real and i already gave correct answers for them.
Now you are free to think and try to translate whatever you want. But if you want, at least respect the fact that you can confuse some members here that ask and want some infos, some real and precise infos without guessing and confusion.
If you want to talk about VORs, why some others should guess that this can be found into a talking for ILS?
Nikos.Iâll tell you why you donât understand it. Itâs because you understand a concept really well lets just say that. And then you fail to see that others understand things in a different way. Through comparisions or similarities with something else. If you are a perfectionist then good for you i have no problems witht hat. But to say why other people explain things in a different way that isnât as precise as you would want them to be is nothing short of arrogant. People understand things in different ways I was just using another concept to explain it. To say there are no similarities is just wrong.
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Lets sum-up in a very simple way:
VOR is multidirectional.
ILS is unidirectional (or at some point, let say bi-directional)Does everybody agree with this?
Thank youâŚThat is what i said in my original post i just used a VOR as an example and said ILS is like a VOR with only one radial for each of the headings of the runway. Thats why i compared them and all i said is that it has an addition of a GlideSlope. Its fun when you find so many people that donât understand anything apart from their method of explaining things.
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Iâll tell you why you donât understand it. Itâs because you understand a concept really well lets just say that. And then you fail to see that others understand things in a different way. Through comparisions or similarities with something else. If you are a perfectionist then good for you i have no problems witht hat. But to say why other people explain things in a different way that isnât as precise as you would want them to be is nothing short of arrogant. People understand things in different ways I was just using another concept to explain it. To say there are no similarities is just wrong.
The fact that i just have the knowledge about some things doesnât make me to canât/donât see that others understand things in a different way.
When you say that âsome people call them VASI lights some call it PAPI light they are just basically 2-4 lights that go from green to red.â it is crystal clear that you mean that they are the same lights, that is completely wrong. When you say that these lights go from green to red this is completely wrong, no room there for an other point of view!
When you say âYou will also notice lights on the left of the runwayâ, then anyone that reads this will think that these lights will always be on the left of the runway, that is completely wrong. Also no room here for a matter of a different point of view.
It is very easy to see someone that you donât care about the real status and facts, as also that you donât want to accept that by any means.
It is your right, i have no problem with that. But you donât have the right to say that it is a matter of a different point of view, this is a lie.
PAPI and VASI lights are white and red all over the world! You canât say that they are green, you must understand your mistake and accept it.
I will not lose any more time with your posts on persist that things are like you wantâŚ
Nikos.