F-18 C/D, USS Vinson, Yellow Sea
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…it should be noted that while a RL Hornet shot is in fact performed with left hand on the throttles (to hold them forward/max under accel) and right hand off the stick, this is not necessarily the case for all jets the go down the stroke.
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…it should be noted that while a RL Hornet shot is in fact performed with left hand on the throttles (to hold them forward/max under accel) and right hand off the stick, this is not necessarily the case for all jets the go down the stroke.
Dunno…I have seen Rhino strokes where the pilot has both hands on the canopy handles.
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Dunno…I have seen Rhino strokes where the pilot has both hands on the canopy handles.
One can run the throttle friction down to keep the handles forward, but personally I would think having to relax it on the way to cancelling burner would just be another PITA during fly away. Not saying some pilots don’t do that, just that I wouldn’t.
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…it should be noted that while a RL Hornet shot is in fact performed with left hand on the throttles (to hold them forward/max under accel) and right hand off the stick, this is not necessarily the case for all jets the go down the stroke.
In France (I do not know what is SOP in USN?) … AFAIK, hand is kept closed (closed fist) and behind the throttle pushing it forward to avoid to retard it accidental due to the kick in the ass. … for the stick, it doesn’t really matter since it is side stick and arm can just rest on the armrest.
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In France (I do not know what is SOP in USN?) … hand is kept closed (closed fist) and behind the throttle pushing it forward to avoid to retard it accidental due to the kick in the ass.
That certainly makes tons of sense…though I’ve also heard some Hornet guys say they go down the stroke with both palms on their thighs, which while maintaining hands-off also keeps hands closer to the controls…
…but I had another thought, and I suspect what guys do may also depend on the jet itself. The T-45 has a grip that folds down ahead of the throttle at max, and you go down the cat with palm on the throttle and fingers hooked over the cat grip…then once away you fold the cat grip back against the sidewall and fly. So I could conjecture that if you polled younger Hornet drivers that they may be more prone to put a hand on the throttles because they trained that way in the T-45. I have no idea what the drill was in the T-2 or TA-4…but they probably/may have did something different.
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Jane’s F-18 has a 3D clickable cockpit. If I remember correct it’s one of the first released sims that featured a clickable 3D pit.
And how awesome and immersive it was…:) I’ll never forget the ‘ACL Lock-On—Call the ball’
A guy called ‘ToS’ RL name Chris even made a very nice F-14D pit that worked perfectly. That makes Jane’s F/A-18 the only combat-sim ever to have an almost finished and working F-14D pit…that I got to fly in:).
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And how awesome and immersive it was…:) I’ll never forget the ‘ACL Lock-On—Call the ball’
A guy called ‘ToS’ RL name Chris even made a very nice F-14D pit that worked perfectly. That makes Jane’s F/A-18 the only combat-sim ever to have an almost finished and working F-14D pit…that I got to fly in:).
…anybody care to tell me what major mistake this guy made coming aboard?
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…anybody care to tell me what major mistake this guy made coming aboard?
Looks like he spotted the deck at the ramp. That can cost you your CQ if it becomes habit.
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Looks like he spotted the deck at the ramp. That can cost you your CQ if it becomes habit.
…nope. Not what I was thinking of…any other guesses?
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And how awesome and immersive it was…:) I’ll never forget the ‘ACL Lock-On—Call the ball’
n:).soon bms will be remembered for it as well
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“soon” … a way of speaking Jp … You should say 3 - 4 weeks.
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…nope. Not what I was thinking of…any other guesses?
Well he DID spot the deck, so there are TWO major errors then, sir.
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soon bms will be remembered for it as well
Well, with F-14 mods coming along, this sure is an attractive vision for the future.
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Well he DID spot the deck, so there are TWO major errors then, sir.
…that makes three violations in actuality, but spotting the VV (even though he was fast…) is how a lot of guys do it. In daylight…
…but the major violation I was thinking of was that he came down the groove and over the round-down with his laser armed…risking the eyballs of everyone on deck, including his LSO. That safety violation alone would probably DQ him, and if he did fry some eyeballs probably even cost him his wings. Secondary to that (now that you gave me time to think some more…) is that he came aboard with his FLIR not stowed in the first place - SOP has the FLIR stowed for both takeoff and landing because the nose tires can kick up FOD off the deck that could destroy the optics.
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Really nice job on those screenshots
Moose
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Since when Jane’s series have a 3D clickable cockpit ?
SO you are a little bit extreme in your statements.
one real annoying thing in the current F18 cockpit is the DED that is barely readable
As far as Super hornet is concerned, you are all right, it should be completely removed from BMS since we dont have any clue about FM nor cockpit
That’s another problem with both the C/D and E/F cockpits in BMS - real Hornets don’t have a DED…and so the DED should be removed completely from the Hornets and the associated functionality moved to how it’s supposed to be done in a Hornet. Which is also not the same for a C/D as it is for an E/F. The Jane’s and VRS sims really are the best out there as far as Hornet cockpit modeling goes. Good references.
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That’s another problem with both the C/D and E/F cockpits in BMS - real Hornets don’t have a DED…and so the DED should be removed completely from the Hornets and the associated functionality moved to how it’s supposed to be done in a Hornet. Which is also not the same for a C/D as it is for an E/F. The Jane’s and VRS sims really are the best out there as far as Hornet cockpit modeling goes. Good references.
True on all counts, except Janes has hideous grafix, I know as I still fly it when I can stomach it, VRS has no combat worth discussing.
We will need more advanced Bug functionality before we could remove the DED and I dont foresee that coming, info is scant on that topic. Mav keeps hinting but we have no reliable info. I suspect that my main Bug fix will be coming from the DCS one.
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True on all counts, except Janes has hideous grafix, I know as I still fly it when I can stomach it, VRS has no combat worth discussing.
We will need more advanced Bug functionality before we could remove the DED and I dont foresee that coming, info is scant on that topic. Mav keeps hinting but we have no reliable info. I suspect that my main Bug fix will be coming from the DCS one.
I think it’s more a matter of just mapping the functions as appropriate to the cockpit in question. There’s a lot of “DED” functionality that simply isn’t present in the Hornet cockpit - like putting the DED on the HUD…I actually had to explain to a RL Hornet driver how you can get rid of that in an F-16 once (he was flying F-16s on a USAF/USN TPS exchange) - based on my (correct) knowledge of where the switch is from flying FAF/BMS. Other than that it’s simply a matter of mapping out the DED/ICP function to the UFC/UFCD properly - Jane’s and/or VRS are good refs.
Using Janes/VRS sims as guides (which I’m betting is what DCS will do…almost have to do, really) the re-application of functions as they exist for F-16 could be done to the extent it could be done, and people would just pain have to get used to the fact that a Hornet is not a Viper and things work different.
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Dude who made the VRS Rhino admitted that alot of his reference info came from Janes F/18.