Survivability strenght of the F-16
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Yeah, I have come to know the f-16 was built light and small hence its great manoeuvrability prowess. Best chance is to avoid getting hit by missile.
But I am still of the opinion that in BMS, the F-16 disintegrates and turn into a fireball too soon and too often.
I need some more time to call the AWAC to send the rescue choppers, at least I end the mission with a sense of a chance of being rescued.In any case, it will just be eye candy to see debris flying around and the smoking airframe marks a black dot on the terrain.
Enjoying current immersion simulated though.Thanks
Gary Powers did not had chance to to anything when was hit by a Kub (SA-6). In RL many times pilot dies when is hit by a large SAM or an AAM with continous rod warhead from the front. The warhead simply shreads the airframe with the pilot…
You can survive a hit of a small R-60 or MANPAD but chence of survival against in Falcon any larger is simply theoretical as in RL.So far I found these cases where AC surived AAM or SAM hit.
- Large B-52s over Hanoi vs Dvina (SA-2). It is hard to understand how could happened this, but happened.
- F-15A vs R-60 in 1982.
- Iranian F-4 vs F-15 + AIM-7.
- Not confirned, but I found source about R-23R vs F-111F from ODS.
- A PRC AC which survived an AIM-9B hit from a Taiwanese jet because warhead failed to detonate. AC flew home and USSR acquired an AIM-9B.
I cannot reacall from my mind more cases where and AC survived a hit of a missile except the AGM-88 vs B-52 tail gun.
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It is hard to understand how could happened this, but happened.
Its not that hard. Missile effects are relative to proximity, you know. A missile that guides directly does a lot more damage than one which detonates nearby, or not so nearby.
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Its not that hard. Missile effects are relative to proximity, you know. A missile that guides directly does a lot more damage than one which detonates nearby, or not so nearby.
Exactly, I recall the detonation pattern of SAM missile on an FA -18 in one of my favorite Movie " Behind Enemy Lines " A movie that depicts the current BMS Balkan theatre war.
The missile did not hit directly if I remember correctly but seems to have a proximity fuse that detonated the warhead at a set distance from the aircraft sending shrapnel which pierced the fuselage before the pilot ejected.
This was just a movie but I tend to believe that certain missile detonate in that pattern.A lot of factors like missile speed, missile warhead, section of the aircraft hit, missile fuse and angle of missile relative to aircraft at explosion could make the aircraft to survive a hit.
@Blu3wolf:Its not that hard. Missile effects are relative to proximity, you know. A missile that guides directly does a lot more damage than one which detonates nearby, or not so nearby.
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Right.
@Fox 3, can you not get an overheat of the DEEÇ without a a corresponding rise in FTIT?
It’s not talked about in the -1, however, I would assume it’s very possible. It would Autotransfer to SEC of which there is a checklist for.
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Its not that hard. Missile effects are relative to proximity, you know. A missile that guides directly does a lot more damage than one which detonates nearby, or not so nearby.
Divna has so large warhead it is hard to imagine how can caused such small dmg. that a B-52 survived.
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Could have detonated at distance for various reasons I guess, thus was simply not close enough to cause significant damage.
Do you mean Francis Gary Powers? hit by an SA-2 in 1960 at 70,000+ ft
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Divna has so large warhead it is hard to imagine how can caused such small dmg. that a B-52 survived.
Only if you assume that it detonated inside the B-52, with full rated power. If there was any issue with terminal guidance or with fuzing, its not hard to imagine at all.
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Read of B-52s RTB’ing with battle damage during Linebacker, but yeah, not from a direct hit by an SA-2. When that happened all I can recall occurring was a complete and instant loss of airplane and aircrew alike.
As for those that survived hits, you have to remember that this was arguably the best the USAF was during the entire war, having more experience of dealing with SAMs and better equipment for it than ever before. Consider all the ECM, both from EW planes and the self defence from the bombers, and all the Shrikes and Standards flying from Wild Weasels when the SA-2s did attempt to engage. No wonder many missiles either missed completely, or failed to put enough shrapnel into their targets to take them down.
Come to think of it, I can actually recall reading of a Phantom that received pretty much a direct hit and managed to RTB with both pilot and GIB unhurt.
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Most missiles (AAM or SAM) have proximity fusing increasing their chance of a “hit” at the expense of damage. Scoring a direct hit with a missile isn’t that common even in test firings. A proximity hit is usually enough to bring down the a/c but there are a lot more variables that effect the lethality of the warhead (intercept angle, a/c speed, closure speed, manoeuvres etc.). Some missiles (Rapier & Starstreak come to mind) don’t have a proximity fuse and must score a direct hit on the airframe to detonate but again effects will differ dependant on part of airframe hit (fuselage is probably fatal, end of wing or tail is maybe a bit more survivable).
There are plenty of examples of a/c hit by missiles that continued to fly for at least a few more minutes and enough that made it back to land.
However, I don’t believe the BMS takes account of type of hit or where before applying the damage.
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I wonder if e.g. small arms and HMG damage isn’t abstracted. Take a look in Tacview at how much fire is directed towards you should you e.g. overfly a hostile airfield. I think the case could be made that you’re only actually informed about the Golden BB, and hits that don’t cause any failures or particular structural damage are left out.
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I wonder if e.g. small arms and HMG damage isn’t abstracted. Take a look in Tacview at how much fire is directed towards you should you e.g. overfly a hostile airfield. I think the case could be made that you’re only actually informed about the Golden BB, and hits that don’t cause any failures or particular structural damage are left out.
From personal experience I can say that hitting a fast moving jet with infantry weapons is usually more luck than judgement. Soldiers aren’t usually taught how to fire at a fast jet and rarely when they are do they get to practice the dark-art. In the Vietnam War the Vietnamese used to have whole companies fire at a/c usually with the result of converting rounds to empty cases, although they got enough results to warrant the tactic.
I think BMS has it about right … a quick flight over a ground unit and ducking into cover is unlikely to result in any damage to your a/c. Start loitering around at low level over troops, or make your run over a strung out battalion then the likelyhood of collecting the “golden BB” starts to go up markedly.
BTW in the British Army you are taught to aim 2-4 a/c lengths in front of a helicopter, 6 lengths in front of a prop a/c and up to 12 lengths in front of a Jet. You’ll never see your fall of shot so you’ll have no idea how to adjust for your next shot. The most effective way to hit an a/c (or at least the target drones we (rarely) got to practice with) is to put a load of rounds up in front of the a/c and let it fly through them.