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Hmmm why not a win win just for sensor fixation? Less cost more profit more customers that will not be willing to reprogram the whole thing.
Edit for starters most pistolero’s doers will go for such solution.
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Regarding ideas:
Force Mod
A low cost FBW Force mod for the Cougar (and WartHog) is probably a good place to consider. I own both the Realsimulator FSSB-R1 and Vipercore FCC3 force mods. They are pretty much equal in price ($400), precision and quality. If this can be closely duplicated for 1/2 that price, it would open the force to more Jedi. But i would take a poll at a few sites before investing very far into this.ICP
This is something that is very useful and a productivity enhancemwnt to BMS user and is something once you have it, you wont want to fly without. There are numerous low cost work arounds (G15 or other mappable keypads, helios touch screen), but a F16 ICP is very immersive. Over the years ive used many of these until i bult my own from real parts ($500 and alot of time). Ive also helped a gent in the Netherlands develop a lower cost ($350) 3D printer version. If this could be done for under $200, it might be a winner. But again, id poll to see interest level and commitment level.Heres my USB ICP (right) and Rednecks (left)
Other ideas:
Id like to see an usb version of some kind of desktop panel the reduces the mouse clicking workload:- Slap Switch
- Mechanicals (gear, flaps, hook)
- radio comms
- ramp engine
Its something ill do myself eventually, but i dont have access to the fab toys
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Wonderfull. Can t wait for this. Just a question. It seems that you will place the force sensors in the vertical plane. Am i correct?
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Yes, 4 sensors on the shaft arranged for temperature compensation. This will be my first time working with these type of sensors.
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AV8R,
Thanks for the detailed input. Very impressive ICP, I really like your door hinge as a base. I also like the idea of desktop mechanicals. I am mostly flying VR now, specificly the Huey with the Rift. I still like fixed wing on the monitor and I have been working on my buddies pit and just started mine. So the switches and panels are probably after a Joystick base. I don’t want to get to far ahead of myself. Just want to focus on one thing at a time and deliver. I nice guy in one of the other forums seems to get beat up a lot because he has not got products to market yet. -
Also the idle cut off for the throttle would be a nice addition.
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@Miles,
There was another guy thst did a hall sensor stick and base, think it was called the black mamba. Probably can google it. Good luck on yours. Will be watching the development.Im hoping for a F18 or MiG29 or Spitfire stick grip to go on the Cougar or WartHog base. Been waiting for that since the Cougar came out and their sales ads said they would. One guy in Russia made a Me109 grip and i hve it. So i know this can be done with the right equipment. Ill help you if you go there.
The picture i made below shows the Cougar grip, Me109 grip and a real ww2 kg13 grip.
@Arty,
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Would be nice to have a TQS that replaces the throttle arm on the stock TQS with a longer arm, and adds the pinky lever and throttle body adjustment normally associated with going to OFF from IDLE. I suspect this is not the kind of thing that can be adequately done in plastic for a drop in replacement TQS, though. I imagine something like this is what Arty had in mind.
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That Me 109 grip is nice!
What I’d like to see in an F/A-18 grip is a built in extension that puts the paddle switch in the right place - extension/box with paddle/grip - like in the real jet. Solves two problems at once and actually looks the part…can’t stand the ones I’ve seen with the paddle included on the grip - first mod I’d make if I were to get one.
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@AV8R Yes the actual pinky finger metal switch which will release the throttle axis to go a bit back and switch off the engine.
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Hi Colbalt,
I was only aware of the FSSB. How did your hall kit work out.I’ve been waiting for some new gimbals to fit at same time so not as yet fitted but it all looks great stuff thanks. Now with his talk of more affordable force control maybe I will skip the gimbals.
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@AV8R Yes the actual pinky finger metal switch which will release the throttle axis to go a bit back and switch off the engine.
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Like this…
Well,if you can pull off a few bank heists, you might be able to get one of these
http://www.aerotronicsllc.com/f16throttle.htm
Or this one
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well something like this. It could be fixated on the current base no extra large mambo jumbo extensions and HeavyMetal things… the pinky and MilesD magic so when you hold the pinky to release the handle to go further back and perform the idle cut off.
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Hey Miles, any news on your decision?
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Hey Roccio
I am going to do the force sensing joystick. I should have a assortment of strain gauges here in a week. I am in the middle of getting out an order for industrial adhesion testers that I designed and am the OEM manufacturer for. This may illustrate some of my equipment capabilities if it gives anyone another idea for the future products. -
Impressive, most impressive… A practical product that “sucks”.
Or more accurately, if i get this right, uses gas pressure to pull a piston which sucks to measure stiction.
Pretty cool actually. A bit more pricy than a Warthog and RSSB-3. Yet i see the natural fit for Miles to do a strain gauge based stick base.
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I’m in for force sensing and would love an icp.
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Any news mate?
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Bumping this thread. Always wanted a force sensing SSC but could never justify the costs of the existing options. $150 would be doable for me.
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A $150 force-sensor mod? Now that’s something I could’ve used earlier!
Do note that they have exceedingly tight tolerances to implement properly and require some really sturdy materials to not fatigue over repeated use, so I’ll be impressed if you can pull off that kind of precision for $150 apiece.
If, however, you make a standalone stick base version that Warthog users can easily switch over to, you’re also going to make a lot of sales coming from the Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous communities alongside the BMS fanbase here. Trust me on that - space sims work great with force-sensing!
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Hey Miles,
I love your Hall mods. I’ve been working to source MFD screens for the Thrustmaster MFDs. It should just be a matter of getting square TFTs, a control board, and 3d-printing a case. It’s been a bit of a pain to source though. Touch screen overlays are dirt cheap and easy as well. Figure this would be an easy and worthwhile project if you have interest and time to take over.Thanks for your contributions to the community.
-Drahkken