Laser permanently lasing after short manual lase
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As long as the trigger is being held I think, be it 0.1 second or 100 seconds… like a garden hose. DED setting is for automatic lasing; the trigger is for manual lasing. Warthog stick does have 2 triggers. Button 1 is pressed initially but if it is held down all the way button 1 and button 6 are both input.
Pressing the trigger to the second detent does different behavior that I’m not too familiar with. It does something depending on the AG mode (CCIP or DTOS?) and I’m not sure BMS matches the real plane.
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Are you also using the trigger to fire? Does the Warthog stick have a double detent trigger? If no then please re-read my long post above, if yes then please show me how to reproduce, maybe this is the bug I’m looking for
Hi mate, Warthog has the two-stage trigger, yes. What I am doing is, for example, flying the TR433_11_LGB training mission. While ingressing towards IP I will set up the laser as required (20 seconds, combat, etc.) then when I get to the point of a CCRP release of a single GBU-12, I will pickle and not touch the laser. At 20 seconds to impact, the laser fires and I score a good hit. All is well.
When I go around, I might give myself 15 miles or so to set up another run. Once locked up on TGP, I am inbound. When I get the Loft Cue, I will hit the trigger to start the manual lasing, and it will continue to fire indefinitely except when masked, which I guess is correct. When unmasked, it continues to fire again.
I’ve screen-grabbed my trigger setup, and done you a video (all manual, no auto-lasing to speed things up)…
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As long as the trigger is being held I think, be it 0.1 second or 100 seconds… like a garden hose. DED setting is for automatic lasing; the trigger is for manual lasing. Warthog stick does have 2 triggers. Button 1 is pressed initially but if it is held down all the way button 1 and button 6 are both input.
Pressing the trigger to the second detent does different behavior that I’m not too familiar with. It does something depending on the AG mode (CCIP or DTOS?) and I’m not sure BMS matches the real plane.Yes, I noticed this too - is it possible the BTN6 is getting “stuck on” in the code somehow? That would explain permanent lasing, i.e. if the button was never seen to be released again.
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Well I couldn’t reproduce what you showed
I assume you didn’t hold the trigger throughout the entire vid right? So yes it does remind what I happen to see sometimes that the laser gets stuck, but I couldn’t reproduce. And also in what I used to see, it was without auto lasing (I never use auto lasing) and without touching the 2nd detent.
In your case it seems similar indeed to the 2nd detent getting stuck, but not sure why as you have double trigger on the stick. Here I can get it to stuck only if I press the 2nd detent and release it, because on the X-55 there is no double trigger so in sim logic the 1st detent stays stuck. Can you check in your case what happens if the laser gets stuck and you push the 1st detent and release it?
If there is a bug somewhere then I will find and fix it easily, but I must reproduce the issue first. I can add debug prints locally here to see exactly from which path in the code the laser gets triggered, but without reproducing a stuck laser, it won’t help.
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Well I couldn’t reproduce what you showed
I assume you didn’t hold the trigger throughout the entire vid right? So yes it does remind what I happen to see sometimes that the laser gets stuck, but I couldn’t reproduce. And also in what I used to see, it was without auto lasing (I never use auto lasing) and without touching the 2nd detent.
That’s correct - when I hit the trigger (full press to activate both stages) the laser starts firing, and I release the trigger, it continues.
In your case it seems similar indeed to the 2nd detent getting stuck, but not sure why as you have double trigger on the stick. Here I can get it to stuck only if I press the 2nd detent and release it, because on the X-55 there is no double trigger so in sim logic the 1st detent stays stuck. Can you check in your case what happens if the laser gets stuck and you push the 1st detent and release it?
Yep, can do. Will report back ASAP. IIRC, in the past I have pressed/released both BTN1 and BTN6 quickly in an attempt to have it stop with no joy, but will make a conscious effort to try it.
If there is a bug somewhere then I will find and fix it easily, but I must reproduce the issue first. I can add debug prints locally here to see exactly from which path in the code the laser gets triggered, but without reproducing a stuck laser, it won’t help.
Understood. Thanks for trying anyway. I can live with it, very rare we actually manually lase.
EDIT- As suspected, tapping BTN1 or BTN6 doesn’t clear it.
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but when tutorials mention to laser range a targer for a more accurate measurement, I’m assuming it literally means to blip the manual laser?
EDIT: Not sure how I missed it previously, but I was right
@BMS:
The range to the ground stabilised TGP cursor is preceded by a mnemonic indicating the sensor that
is ranging. T indicates that the TGP is passively ranging, L indicates the laser is ranging. To range the
target with the laser depress the first stage trigger to manually fire the laser. Besides giving more
accurate ranging, firing the laser checks correct laser operation before bomb release and ensures that
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Yes, I noticed this too - is it possible the BTN6 is getting “stuck on” in the code somehow? That would explain permanent lasing, i.e. if the button was never seen to be released again.
That’s correct - when I hit the trigger (full press to activate both stages) the laser starts firing, and I release the trigger, it continues.
Don’t do that bolded part. Manual lasing is just the first detent. The second detent is for another function which I don’t think is fully fleshed out in BMS.
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Don’t do that bolded part. Manual lasing is just the first detent. The second detent is for another function which I don’t think is fully fleshed out in BMS.
Done! Even better, the laser only fires for as long as I hold the first stage?! Strange, but happy I seem to have resolution now! Thanks Frederf!
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Perhaps this helps: Keyfilemanual page 46. 11.2 STUCK KEY: This issue has been seen quite often in the forum. A stuck key issue appears when you are using shifted functions. In this case it doesn’t matter if you are using the shifted function with your keyboard (key with modifier/s) or with your DX input device (Pinky Shift with DX button). A popular example is the TRIM function. The reason for a stuck key is a mishandling of the key press sequence. Here is the way how to do it properly: 1. Press and hold modifier key (keyboard) / Pinky switch (DX Shift) 2. Press keyboard key / DX button and hold it 3. Continue holding both (1 & 2) as long as desired 4. Release keyboard key / DX button 5. Release modifier key (keyboard) / Pinky switch (DX Shift) If you release #4 & #5 in the wrong order the key(s) / function will most likely stuck. To prevent this either use the correct order stated above or try to avoid using shifted functions.
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i have this problem on Balkan theatre, i’m using TH Cougar and laser is on first trigger detent not shifted.
As soon as i release the GBU the laser beam is switched on. It doesn’t wait the time inserted in DED.