Set TFR to NORM - Betty won't stop telling me to PULL UP
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Whenever and whatever I am doing in the Falcon, if I set the TFR to Norm, Betty starts yelling at me to “Pull Up”. Then nothing I do will shut her up. (Haven’t tried crashing yet.) I saw some others (not many) with the same or similar complaint but can’t find a solution. The yellow tfr limits box also flashes in the Flir and TFR MFDs. Any ideas is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Whenever and whatever I am doing in the Falcon, if I set the TFR to Norm, Betty starts yelling at me to “Pull Up”. Then nothing I do will shut her up. (Haven’t tried crashing yet.) I saw some others (not many) with the same or similar complaint but can’t find a solution. The yellow tfr limits box also flashes in the Flir and TFR MFDs. Any ideas is appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Some flight parameters and ALOW numbers would be useful…
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Do you get a WARN and TF Fail ?
If yes, switch on your Radar altimeter. There are times that you might be out of the RALT scan limits. This will cause a SWIM fly-up. Press the paddle switch to cancel the flyup and keep it held in until you get a RALT read out. Release the paddle switch. This will reset the FLCS. -
Thanks for the quick response. Can always count on that from you guys. To answer the first post, I am simply going into training mission 8 TFR and following the instructions in the training book. Yes I am pretty much of a novice. I believe Leech has discovered the problem. Although I have not looked into this a great deal yet, I did switch on the Radar altimeter before doing anything else and it worked like a charm. Thanks again.
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Glad we could help.
To help you more,prior to initiating TFR flight, it is imperative to check the operation and integration of the TFR, radar altimeter, and digital FCS.
RATSIMPL Cockpit Check, may be useful to complete the TF check and prepare for thenext phase of flight.
Radar altimeter - ON
ALOW - set to 450’
TACAN - set air-to-air TACAN as requested
Set clearance plane - 500’
IFF - As required
Missile - TGM-65/D - power on
POD - unstow
Laser - ARM
Normal fence check itemsPrior to TFR Letdown RTFAM Check, helps remember major required tasks
R - RALT
T - TFR
F - FLIR
A - AMS
M - Monitor -
I have copied your list above and posted it next to my computer monitors. I did not know what I was missing now that I am using TFR. Really adds to the sim. I do have a question about how often the air force uses low flying ingress. I remember years ago Chuck Horner, who was in charge of the air campaign in the first Gulf War, said in an interview that someone had to have a really good reason to fly low in a combat situation. He relayed that he had a bad experience flying in Vietnam. Apparently, a flight of 8 planes went in low and only one came out. Thought I would see if you have any thoughts about this before I research the internet. Thanks again for everything.
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+1. In RL flying low is something that simply isn’t done anymore, other than for training. There are too many things out there now that can get you - including small arms, which was a surprise to me when I first learned of it. I have a feeling that as aircraft have become more complex that small arms fire has become more of a problem, but that’s just my theory. Not to mention the risk of CFIT…there was a lot of that in the opening weeks of the first Gulf war (Tornadoes mostly, if I recall).
From what I’ve been seeing this reality is modeled to far greater effect in FAF, where bogey and threat AI in general seem to be modeled in a bit more RW manner. A lot of the things that I read of folk getting away with in BMS get me shot down in FAF - presumably by manpads, but I can only guess at that given no RWR indication before the emegency…this seems to happen a lot if I go off-route and try to fly low - which is a tactic the AI threats (the big wings) like to use; pull you off route and drop down.
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In RL flying low is something that simply isn’t done anymore, other than for training.
Hah?
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Hah x 4
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lol those greeks
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…ok…just the Greeks do it. Most other folk don’t.
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I would just say that if Greek and Israel do it nowdays, there should be a good reason… (or just don’t have Tomahawks and B-2’s).
Turks do it to. I think Singapore; also has NVP’s.
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Yeah, I think it has a bit (ok, a lot…) to do with doing what you have to do with what you have. In my circles flying low just isn’t something one would plan to do as a matter of course in combat - not over land, at least. Way too many low level threats and losses in the Gulf, and also going back to the SEA conflict. So history teaches, but MMV from operator to operation.
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Another reason is that in recent conflicts (Gulf, Lybia) where the terrain is >90% flat, meaning small horizon / Line Of Sight, flying low isn’t much a benefit since a radar (probably) in a hill will spot you even longer, so flying high & stealth OR using cruise missiles might be the best option in that terrain conflicts. BTW a couple minutes before the first GBU’s from F-117’s hit the Iraq HQ’s in Gulf War I, some Apaches where destroying the radar sites to open up the gates for the -117’s, so low flight ops was also a mandatory task back then, and IMHO would only be, with the exception nowadays of using ground special forces to assault the sites.
In our area (Greece) with some 3k islands all over Aegean sea as and aggressive land areas, the aspects of radar coverage, LOS, blind spots, and ambush-cap areas is a lot different and interesting that most of the rest theaters.
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Don’t forget the vast number of airborne support assets that USAF can employ for force protection.
Also, surprise and delayed enemy detection is achieved by low altitude ingress, (considering long range PGM’s are unavailable).
As Raptor said some SA threats are restricted to LOS, thus reducing exposure and less opportunity to engage a terrain-masking aircraft.AA threat capability is also decreased due to reduced WEZ. This unfortunately goes both ways.
Manpads and small arms fire do pose a serious threat, but again LOS can restrict them depending on the terrain. -
I for one am convinced that even the USAF will revert to fly low if one day they have to face a major conflict with a superpower
They will continue to fly high because that’s what they train for now - but they might be wiped out trying
If that happens, they will revert to low altitude and they will whish they continued to train for it.These guys are way smarter than me (although they have done critical planning mistakes in the past), and I guess that if they don’t plan for it they expect that never to happen - which I hope too.
Nevertheless current world geopolitics are not as quiet as 10 years ago …There is no question that current ‘guerilla’ conflicts are safer to fly from hi altitudes, but what if one day these airforces have to engage an IADS network of S-20…
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Back to the topic at hand.
The most common cause for the Betty going crazy over the TFR is because the radar altimeter lost lock. This usually happens when you roll too much or simply forget to turn on the radar altimeter.
To make Betty shut up, first put the terrain following in STBY (or she’ll start yelling again) and, on the rear of the left console, flip the FLCS RESET switch.
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@Red:
I for one am convinced that even the USAF will revert to fly low if one day they have to face a major conflict with a superpower
They will continue to fly high because that’s what they train for now - but they might be wiped out trying
If that happens, they will revert to low altitude and they will whish they continued to train for it.These guys are way smarter than me (although they have done critical planning mistakes in the past), and I guess that if they don’t plan for it they expect that never to happen - which I hope too.
Nevertheless current world geopolitics are not as quiet as 10 years ago …There is no question that current ‘guerilla’ conflicts are safer to fly from hi altitudes, but what if one day these airforces have to engage an IADS network of S-20…
That will be a different ball game, wouldn’t it?Not really. Any so-thought “advantage” of flying low in broken terrain is lost when you consider that the terrain also is well suited to the placement of small arms and manpads…they’ll simply hide where you think you can hide. And there are far more of them then there are of you. And they are more mobile, by numbers. So you need to know more than just to think you can simply “duck down”. There’s all sorts of stuff down there waiting for you.
Agreed+ on SA20s…and double digit SAMs in general.