Why not make an in depth Tutorial for the simulator ?
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I expect someday Kawasaki T-4, Alpha-Jet E and maybe M-346.
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@Red:
they didn’t work. they were buggy as hell and more frustrating than anything else. I tried them all before starting the trining manual project. the scripts power we had back in these days were very limited and the guy who did them spend an awful lot of time on them for poor results, that’s why I decided to drop completely that concept.
Another idea for the “ff [sic] you could have one thing in the next update” thread… extending BMS through a LUA or Python interpreter
@Chu: If you decide to stick with BMS (and it will be very rewarding and I see absolutely no reason why you shouldn’t if you adore the F-16 as much as you say you do), check out alternative head tracking solutions (EDtracker, delanclip etc.) which can be had for a fraction of the cost of TrackIR while at the same time featuring superior build quality.
All the best, Uwe
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I have no intention of giving it up but i’m definitely gonna push it back until i can actually understand anything. I’m not really one to make progress via reading, I can’t recall a time where manual helped me with anything. It feels like school, which isn’t something I handle very well. Even though the subject is something I’ve liked ever since i was a little kid.
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This is the issue, is that it very much is school. I can sympathise, in that I have issues with some learning formats too. For me though, its hard to empathise, because reading manuals is probably one of my better learning modes.
You might have some luck asking for help on the Falcon Lounge discord server. Reading manuals doesnt work so well for many as a primary learning tool. You might have more luck with verbal tutoring, or something else more interactive than a manual.
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Chu - go here and look at these videos - you might want to make notes or have these tutorials running on a separate tablet or other suitable device so you can run BMS and watch these at the same time pausing one or the other as required.
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Am I the only one who sees an issue that someone out there has found this sim, shown interest, asked for help, made a rather valid suggestion (Because a lot of people have agreed with or championed the idea), and then the thread has turned into people telling him to go fly another sim because this one is too hard for him? That’s not a good way to build a community. The sim is hard to learn, nobody argues that. But it is by no means impossible to learn without flying some other sim first. In fact it’s not even that hard to learn without flying something else first, as long you understand it takes time. There is so much negativity in this thread it’s ridiculous.
Yes, it takes time to learn this sim. No, you will not be an ACE in the skies before the New Year. However, it will NOT take you 2 years to be able to fly effectively if you put in a little effort. Yes, it is very helpful to read the manuals first. No, it is not REQUIRED to do so. Many people, myself included, learned the sim with very little reading in the manuals except when I wanted to look something up. Do NOT go fly another sim expecting to come back here and have an easier time… few if any can offer any kind of comparable depth or complexity in simple tasks such as engine start. If you are unfamiliar with flight dynamics or sims, it might be helpful for the first few times to fly without the advanced flight model–Which I think would be a good idea for a training jet. An F-16 with no AFM, for complete beginners, just to get the concept of engine start, taxi, and takeoff. A simple disclaimer in the Training Manual that states as much would be sufficient to ensure the student knows it will get harder going forward.
@OP:
Read the section on engine start. Twice. Then follow it in the sim to get the aircraft started. Taxi…Takeoff…fly around for a bit…attempt to land. Do that 3 or 4 times and you will be 50% of the way into your training, and gain all the experience you could hope to gather from flying around in another sim. From there, follow the training manuals and missions. When they are done, start a campaign and have fun learning the intricacies of everything else. That’s really all you need. There will be things you don’t understand. Search for them in the manuals. There will still be things you don’t understand…search the forums. There will STILL be things you don’t understand…ask questions in the forums. Even then… there will be things you don’t understand…experiment in the airplane. -
There is so much negativity in this thread it’s ridiculous
I see 13 pages of recurring complaining rather than learning.
Supportive versus spoon-feeding.
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I disagree. He said repeatedly he didn’t want to give up on the sim. He just needs a little help getting started. Which is understandable for people who’s only experience in flight sims is something like Ace Combat 7… Regardless there are better ways to be supportive than to mock someone for asking for help, calling it spoon feeding, or telling them to go fly somewhere else. That’s just my personal opinion. And it’s a recurring issue with new players, or these threads wouldn’t get 1500+ views every time one gets started, so there is obviously some validity in the complaint/request.
But that’s the kind of negativity I’m talking about. I would say it’s just as hard to learn this sim as it is for a teenager to learn to drive, just with less consequences. Nobody calls it spoon feeding when the teenager asks for driving lessons? Or expects them to go pass a test by reading a book and never getting a lesson? It’s complex with a lot of moving parts. Just because some of us have been doing it for years, doesn’t mean it isn’t still extremely confusing for new people.
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Am I the only one who sees an issue that someone out there has found this sim, shown interest, asked for help, made a rather valid suggestion (Because a lot of people have agreed with or championed the idea), and then the thread has turned into people telling him to go fly another sim because this one is too hard for him? That’s not a good way to build a community. The sim is hard to learn, nobody argues that. But it is by no means impossible to learn without flying some other sim first. In fact it’s not even that hard to learn without flying something else first, as long you understand it takes time. There is so much negativity in this thread it’s ridiculous.
Yes, it takes time to learn this sim. No, you will not be an ACE in the skies before the New Year. However, it will NOT take you 2 years to be able to fly effectively if you put in a little effort. Yes, it is very helpful to read the manuals first. No, it is not REQUIRED to do so. Many people, myself included, learned the sim with very little reading in the manuals except when I wanted to look something up. Do NOT go fly another sim expecting to come back here and have an easier time… few if any can offer any kind of comparable depth or complexity in simple tasks such as engine start. If you are unfamiliar with flight dynamics or sims, it might be helpful for the first few times to fly without the advanced flight model–Which I think would be a good idea for a training jet. An F-16 with no AFM, for complete beginners, just to get the concept of engine start, taxi, and takeoff. A simple disclaimer in the Training Manual that states as much would be sufficient to ensure the student knows it will get harder going forward.
@OP:
Read the section on engine start. Twice. Then follow it in the sim to get the aircraft started. Taxi…Takeoff…fly around for a bit…attempt to land. Do that 3 or 4 times and you will be 50% of the way into your training, and gain all the experience you could hope to gather from flying around in another sim. From there, follow the training manuals and missions. When they are done, start a campaign and have fun learning the intricacies of everything else. That’s really all you need. There will be things you don’t understand. Search for them in the manuals. There will still be things you don’t understand…search the forums. There will STILL be things you don’t understand…ask questions in the forums. Even then… there will be things you don’t understand…experiment in the airplane.I disagree - read my post just above yours #125
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Always remember too
there are a dozen complaining/whining but hundreths didn’t need any guidance and found their way on their own - these do not complain and are unheard of
we hardly see post saying nothing but ‘I just enjoy BMS’ -
@Red:
there are a dozen complaining/whining but hundreths didn’t need any guidance and found their way on their own - these do not complain and are unheard of
we hardly see post saying nothing but ‘I just enjoy BMS’Yep, BMS is self-vetting.
Not our fault if a person cant or wont read the plethura of excellent documentation.
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Oh, I thought it was a game, made for people to enjoy. I hadn’t realized it was a status symbol which required or signified exclusivity.
No offense to RD, but I think the AD guys have better docs and training… maybe the AF can save some money by eliminating training programs and instructors in lieu of simply reading the TOs and AFIs. I’ll pass the suggestion on to my boss.
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I don’t really think it’s complaining so much but the op has asked the same thing over and over and gotten many diverse answers and still continues. If he opened the manuals then came back with specific questions then it’d be different.
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Mortesil
Just out of interest - How did you learn to fly BMS
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Oh, I thought it was a game, made for people to enjoy. I hadn’t realized it was a status symbol which required or signified exclusivity.
No offense to RD, but I think the AD guys have better docs and training… maybe the AF can save some money by eliminating training programs and instructors in lieu of simply reading the TOs and AFIs. I’ll pass the suggestion on to my boss.
LMAO…you’ll go far here…I’m out.
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Oh, I thought it was a game, made for people to enjoy. I hadn’t realized it was a status symbol which required or signified exclusivity.
No offense to RD, but I think the AD guys have better docs and training… maybe the AF can save some money by eliminating training programs and instructors in lieu of simply reading the TOs and AFIs. I’ll pass the suggestion on to my boss.
the OP is a dummy running in circles.
actually flying is important to learning how to fly, but you read the books first or at least find someone to teach you in a controlled environment.
he’s done neither and is still complaining.
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Am I the only one who sees an issue that someone out there has found this sim, shown interest, asked for help, made a rather valid suggestion (Because a lot of people have agreed with or championed the idea), and then the thread has turned into people telling him to go fly another sim because this one is too hard for him?
I do believe I was the first to suggest another sim and that wasn’t until post #106 so this is just plain fake news.
However, I would like to make another suggestion. I’m new to the BMS world so maybe I missed one that already exists but how about a training squadron? Not an official VFW requiring membership but just a group of the best IPs offer training and instruction to new Falcon BMS pilots. One of the first videos I watched on youtube was essentially this, one guy walking another through a ramp start and quick flight. Here’s the video:
You could even incorporate some sort of live stream to it. Have the student stream so the instructor can watch what they are doing and talk them through it all.
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i have a lot of first hand experience teaching people BMS and let me tell you hombre it is ****ing exhausting.
you’re going to be hard up to find anyone willing to do it without giving them a salary, it requires a shitload of time and effort and often enough comes with absolutely no return because the guy will ghost on you 10 hours in because he’s not dedicated enough.
i’ve experienced it probably 20+ times and i’ve even done it once or twice to people just because the commitment is relatively insane.
grabbing random people from the community and teaching them is likely to just be a revolving door because 9/10 aren’t committed enough, are too busy, or can’t learn for whatever reason.
it’s a non-starter imo.
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i have a lot of first hand experience teaching people BMS and let me tell you hombre it is ****ing exhausting.
I second that
I trained lots over the last 15 years and today I’m all dried up. I’m very lucky to have a small team backing me up now till I can recover, if I ever doit’s a non-starter imo.
But I disagree with that. Because the 2-3 out of 25 (the ratio is important, not the numbers ) that made it to the end are today very enjoyable wingmen or flight leads and friends
and that’s pricelessHowever, I would like to make another suggestion. I’m new to the BMS world so maybe I missed one that already exists but how about a training squadron? Not an official VFW requiring membership but just a group of the best IPs offer training and instruction to new Falcon BMS pilots.
Why not an official VFW requiring membership?
They do the exact same job. There are multiples VFW, each with their own specificities. The advantage is that the newbee can choose according to what he likes
The VFW already struggle - what you suggest would be even more struggleIf the books don’t help, if the video don’t help, if motivation don’t help My take is that the VFW can’t do anything to help you. But none of the above is self exclusive with the others.
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i teach RD don’t get me wrong, and i’ve gotten some wingmen out of it (fly regularly with them etc.) but i wouldn’t teach OP just because he’s made it obvious that he has no initiative or real desire to learn because he hasn’t made even the most basic steps.
if he came to me with a specific question i would answer it even if it required some time to explain (why aren’t my mavericks hitting given these roll/pitch/yaw/range conditions…) etc.
but this isn’t a specific question this is “i am lazy, i want everything done for me. how dare you not cater to my every whim.” etc which is just dumb.
i’ll banter about the guy in the meantime because whatever.