Sukhoi Su-27/Su-33/Su-35/Su-30 Shenyang J-11/J-15
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AI do not use AFM
BTw , i have been informed that SU33 can not perform controled flat spin, is that true ?
has someone a real video of SU33 performing that manoeuver ?
Nopeā¦ it is NOT true. Birdās perfectly able to do it. Seen on ytube , look for some showsā¦ looks way better then F22 Raptor.
I mean, even take a logic turn here, with bigger wings and more control surfaces , it would be weird that she canātā¦ -
Rare & interesting!
https://www.facebook.com/WorldAviationHistory/videos/1801785930126150/
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Buddy-buddy air refuel could be nice but considering that the amount of transferable fuel isnāt implemented it wouldnāt be really realistic to refuel a 4 ship flight with a single small improvised tanker.
First thing I noticed in the above U-tube clip was the buddy refuel pod. And who said any thing about a 4 ship Dee-Jay
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Couldnātā resist posting these!!
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Nopeā¦ it is NOT true. Birdās perfectly able to do it. Seen on ytube , look for some showsā¦ looks way better then F22 Raptor.
I mean, even take a logic turn here, with bigger wings and more control surfaces , it would be weird that she canātā¦Sorry but I have not found it
Please post it , be careful we want a su33 here not another SUā¦
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Sorry but I have not found it
Please post it , be careful we want a su33 here not another SUā¦
20min searchā¦ su-30 and -35 ā¦ doh, iām afraid NO -33, but if they can do it why 33 couldnāt ? If not satisfied Iāll search some more
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If not satisfied Iāll search some more
Better just start searching now!!! :lol::lol::lol:
C9
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Here then
I think DCS guys are laughing at us on BMSā dick on dick action ā¦
Pronto DROGUES !!!
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20min searchā¦ su-30 and -35 ā¦ doh, iām afraid NO -33, but if they can do it why 33 couldnāt ? If not satisfied Iāll search some more
Thatās the whole point of my question !!!
Different aircraft wings , inertia , possibly different flcs etcā¦.
So Iām not 100% sure e is qualified to do it
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Dude, all the stuff, it canāt be THAT much different ,ā¦ it is the same model -27 onwards , just tweaked to hell .+vectoring.
BUT! , youāve still the point here. Seeing, believing. I respect that, soon as I come up with hard evidence , Iāll bring ya.
Cheers
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Dude, all the stuff, it canāt be THAT much different ,ā¦ it is the same model -27 onwards , just tweaked to hell .+vectoring.
BUT! , youāve still the point here. Seeing, believing. I respect that, soon as I come up with hard evidence , Iāll bring ya.
Cheers
The vectoring can be critical to provide necessary yaw control
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Dude, all the stuff, it canāt be THAT much different ,ā¦ it is the same model -27 onwards , just tweaked to hell .+vectoring.
BUT! , youāve still the point here. Seeing, believing. I respect that, soon as I come up with hard evidence , Iāll bring ya.
Cheers
The vectoring can be critical to provide necessary yaw control
I donāt think su27 can make it , and in that case su33 wonāt make it either
Have you a su27 video of a s contrƓled flat spin?
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Dude, all the stuff, it canāt be THAT much different ,ā¦ it is the same model -27 onwards , just tweaked to hell .+vectoring.
BUT! , youāve still the point here. Seeing, believing. I respect that, soon as I come up with hard evidence , Iāll bring ya.
Cheers
If you have a good look at the History/development of the SU-27-30-33-35 family you will see there are crucial differences in the development in the air-frame over the years.
Its easy to recognize the heritage of its shape but todays SU-30s are a very different bird too those first frames that were flown 40 years ago.
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True, Iāve never seen Su-27 in controlled flat spin, or -33 as a matter of fact , but that maneuver came much later with vector aerodynamics.
So I can only guess it could be possible. I canāt say that it is true.Su-33 has much ,much better agility over -27 , eg. vertical brake without vectoring , canards only. In that time it was the only plane , also Pugachev. Far superior then any other, wellā¦, F22 came as the only counterpart, with vectoring.
I want to say that we canāt find evidence from that era because, that it probably doesnāt exist., nobody was doing that in that time, only later with newer birdsā¦ We should try direct approach to some (ex)Flot pilot maybeā¦
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Maybe you donāt need vector thrust for flat spin, just use controlled thrust/afterburner on left/right engine in combination with canardsā¦ and try@Shadow, Yes, I was thinking more in differences between 27 - 33 (small, but again, huge:) in performance ) . Just outlines of a model remained todayā¦ what can you sayā¦ pretty good design, I guess.
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Here then
I think DCS guys are laughing at us on BMSā dick on dick action ā¦
Pronto DROGUES !!!
Weak fuel system modeling. With less the 0G the engine feed tank has very limited qty. to run the engines.
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Iād love to see a sim that accurately incorporates the Su-37ās airframe, thrust and vectoringā¦. be amazing
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Iād love to see a sim that accurately incorporates the Su-37ās airframe, thrust and vectoringā¦. be amazing
Just wait a little bit!
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Weak fuel system modeling. With less the 0G the engine feed tank has very limited qty. to run the engines.
this was filmed when that plane didnt have pfm. if u try that now the engines will die
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Does anyone know where i could get the Su -27 cockpit that came out while back. THx