F-35 status (in BMS) request
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Hi.
I have really not been very active at all lately. Pretty much out of the loop.
Without asking anybody to go into massive detail and spending large amounts of time on it just to satisfy my curiosity, I’d like to ask where things stand regarding modelling the F-35 in BMS.
Just a summary, maybe point me to a topic or two.
I do realize that at this point, accurate flight model data for the F-35 is probably not available to the public, and as for its advanced, electronic capabilities, of course just about everything is going to be subject to speculation as I’m sure everything that matters is rather highly classified.
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A new extreme 3d model is in the works by JanHas, and will be released when ready.
Avionics will be bms core (F-16), don’t expect anything as everything is classified.
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Hi.
I have really not been very active at all lately. Pretty much out of the loop.
Without asking anybody to go into massive detail and spending large amounts of time on it just to satisfy my curiosity, I’d like to ask where things stand regarding modelling the F-35 in BMS.
Just a summary, maybe point me to a topic or two.
I do realize that at this point, accurate flight model data for the F-35 is probably not available to the public, and as for its advanced, electronic capabilities, of course just about everything is going to be subject to speculation as I’m sure everything that matters is rather highly classified.
Engine is not able model n+1 issues and features of 3rd and 4th gen fighters or make a real difference between them regardless they are flow by AI or not. F-35 is far beyond of these because of ESA typr radar, DAS and EOTS not mentioning their intelligence…
(I do not understand what is the point of asking about F-35. Against many red jets flying with advanced blue jet is childplay. The engine of F4.0 was created in '90s considering that era… Why is not wished so many people to apply for era what can handle? I simply do not get his. How fun would be fly with F-35 against J-5…? )
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No F-35 is planed yet.
An F-35 3D model project is on hold since 2016 : https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?22643-WIP-F-35A&p=368059&viewfull=1#post368059
… no updates since then.
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I know from flying the F-22 in the Nordic Theater that it is simply amazing how you will just murder everything without a doubt in BVR. I enjoy fighting other aircraft like the Eurofighter and advanced Flanker variants that make you work a little bit. I enjoy it for studying it from a simulation aspect (and its just a mod that comes nowhere near the Raptor in real life of course), not because it is a challenge, but because it shows how dominant it is. So I could understand someone wanting something that looks like a F-35, even if it is nothing like it.
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I’m only asking out of curiosity. Not for any great desire to jump out of my trusty rusty Viper and get into the newfangled boondooggle/Lockmart Lifetime Employment Program.
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The additions of current 5th gen fighter would be a fantastic addition to BMS, but should be 3rd party (BMS approved) members. Since the avionics would need to be added (not accurate, but a more realistic representation), any other jets in sim would also need this kind of inclusion. Therefore, any other jets other than the F-16 is simply slaved to the F-16 avionics. Maybe a good 3rd party group could do alternate aircraft avionics for other jets. Still using a basic F-16 system but has the cockpit visuals of that specific aircraft (including sounds). It would put other aircraft on par (at least) with the F-16 in appearance towards there cockpit and avionics.
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Maybe a good 3rd party group could do alternate aircraft avionics for other jets.
Really?? There’s already guys that are tweaking SAMs and other weapon FM’s for theaters that’s are built to attempt to cheat and circumvent the code at every corner that they can muster, you know, extending the ranges of SAM’s, making them more lethal, making AIM-54’s never miss mother of all AAM’s that fly for 100miles, terrain cheats, no water/bridge cheats, etc., etc., to their own liking. They have absolutely no technical data or proof, or experience with these things, but hey, they just want them/it to do what they want them/it to do.
Would you really want to trust these third party guys to make FM’s for aircraft? I’d personally leave it in house to the BMS guys when it comes to FM’s.
We’d end up with another SU27 that can dance nose up four feet off the ground for 3000miles and not hiccup!!! :? :roll: :roll:
C9
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@Cloud:
Really?? There’s already guys that are tweaking SAMs and other weapon FM’s for theaters that’s are built to attempt to cheat and circumvent the code at every corner that they can muster, you know, extending the ranges of SAM’s, making them more lethal, making AIM-54’s never miss mother of all AAM’s that fly for 100miles, terrain cheats, no water/bridge cheats, etc., etc., to their own liking. They have absolutely no technical data or proof, or experience with these things, but hey, they just want them/it to do what they want them/it to do.
Would you really want to trust these third party guys to make FM’s for aircraft? I’d personally leave it in house to the BMS guys when it comes to FM’s.
We’d end up with another SU27 that can dance nose up four feet off the ground for 3000miles and not hiccup!!! :? :roll: :roll:
C9
Funny, but not what I said.
Ok, 3rd party addons, like theatre addons, JanHass addons, ect., are well received here. A 3rd party (BMS APPROVED) team can do a lot of work without cluttering up the teams time. Work like modeling and cockpit addons are already out there. So, no worries about that. However, you do have people editing the dat files so they can out turn you or there weapons have super long ranges. Those are cheats. Nothing more. They cheat themselves actually. If they can’t fly the way everyone else does, they are a cheat for changing BMS unit they can beat anyone.
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However, you do have people editing the dat files so they can out turn you or there weapons have super long ranges. Those are cheats. Nothing more. They cheat themselves actually. If they can’t fly the way everyone else does, they are a cheat for changing BMS unit they can beat anyone.
I know, I was taking it to the nth degree because of the actual facts that theaters appearing lately have these pumped up uh, stuff(garbage) in them and they think it’s just fine.
I totally agree with you also, they’re cheating themselves and those that think they are doing good sound work(I’ve even seen bravado for it!!), when at the same time the BMS team strives to either get it as correct as possible or it’s not included!!(So I guess following good examples now a days is no longer the norm!!!) But hey, like I said, that’s what they want it to do, ya know, make it easier for everyone!!! SMH….ridiculous!!!
Back on topic!! lol
Cheers,
C9
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@Cloud:
I know, I was taking it to the nth degree because of the actual facts that theaters appearing lately have these pumped up uh, stuff(garbage) in them and they think it’s just fine.
I totally agree with you also, they’re cheating themselves and those that think they are doing good sound work(I’ve even seen bravado for it!!), when at the same time the BMS team strives to either get it as correct as possible or it’s not included!!(So I guess following good examples now a days is no longer the norm!!!) But hey, like I said, that’s what they want it to do, ya know, make it easier for everyone!!! SMH….ridiculous!!!
Cheers,
C9
Well, if you look at some of the BMS numbers, for the AMRRAM for example, those numbers are for older slammers. The C-7 has much better range and it’s WEZ is also greater. I think that BMS models the C-5. The B is about right from what I have seen, but even the C-5 should have a few more miles added. Just my opinion. It just goes to show that this sim is not (nor ever will be) 100% accurate. There will always be the “best gestamation”. But for some of those theatres, yeah, they need to look at more realistic numbers. That’s if they even care.
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Well, if you look at some of the BMS numbers, for the AMRRAM for example, those numbers are for older slammers. The C-7 has much better range and it’s WEZ is also greater. I think that BMS models the C-5. The B is about right from what I have seen, but even the C-5 should have a few more miles added. Just my opinion. It just goes to show that this sim is not (nor ever will be) 100% accurate.
Yep, there’s always some tweaking to be done, that is obvious, but in these cases they’re actually quite mild adjustments and I agree they’re no brainers. I sometimes just think that with the focus of the BMS team, that they don’t know or aren’t at some point going to be done, it’s more of it missed the list this go round. Even if the task is quite simple compared to others.
Care? Seems to be none!! Besides, that would take time!! LOL
C9
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Hi.
I have really not been very active at all lately. Pretty much out of the loop.
Without asking anybody to go into massive detail and spending large amounts of time on it just to satisfy my curiosity, I’d like to ask where things stand regarding modelling the F-35 in BMS.
Just a summary, maybe point me to a topic or two.
I do realize that at this point, accurate flight model data for the F-35 is probably not available to the public, and as for its advanced, electronic capabilities, of course just about everything is going to be subject to speculation as I’m sure everything that matters is rather highly classified.
We will modélise the f35 when it will be fully operational with all systems and payload working
Which means 10 years minimum
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Ok, 3rd party addons, like theatre addons, JanHass addons, ect., are well received here. A 3rd party (BMS APPROVED) team can do a lot of work without cluttering up the teams time…
If a nice guy is working under specs and produce something considered as “BMS approved” , he would certainly be invited to be fully part of the BMS team. So … it won’t be a 3rd party group.
The additions of current 5th gen fighter would be a fantastic addition to BMS,
BMS is not made for 5th gen fighters.
… The engine of F4.0 was created in '90s considering that era …
Perfectly explained.
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Hi,
On this topic, F-35, J-20, J-31, Su-57 will come sooner or later (maybe later than sooner).
We already put Rafale on stock DB, which was already a big deal, because she uses logics which are unknown to F-16.
On another hand, there is still many 2nd and 3rd generation aircrafts to make.
I think, patience is needed here to get what you wish to.
Regards,
Radium
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The engine of F4.0 was created in '90s considering that era…
Perfectly explained.
That carries zero weight in this conversation!!!
Falcon, being original 4.0, BMS, FreeFalcon, Open Falcon, SuperPak, RP series……any of them, can go where it wants. You could code BMS with 6th Gen fighters if you wanted to, it’s just code!!!
Would it be correct, of course not, but if you really wanted, you could turn Falcon code into Star Wars!!!
C9
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@Cloud:
That carries zero weight in this conversation!!!
Falcon, being original 4.0, BMS, FreeFalcon, Open Falcon, SuperPak, RP series……any of them, can go where it wants. You could code BMS with 6th Gen fighters if you wanted to, it’s just code!!!
Would it be correct, of course not, but if you really wanted, you could turn Falcon code into Star Wars!!!
C9
Yes it is just code, everything is possible. But here we are talking about the near future (three four years). So before considering AESA radar and advanced ECCM means … etc … one must have more correct “classic” radar and better ECM.
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Yes it is just code, everything is possible. But here we are talking about the near future (three four years). So before considering AESA radar and advanced ECCM means … etc … one must have more correct “classic” radar and better ECM.
Agreed, I was just saying my friend!!
C9
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Funny, but not what I said.
Ok, 3rd party addons, like theatre addons, JanHass addons, ect., are well received here. A 3rd party (BMS APPROVED) team can do a lot of work without cluttering up the teams time. Work like modeling and cockpit addons are already out there. So, no worries about that. However, you do have people editing the dat files so they can out turn you or there weapons have super long ranges. Those are cheats. Nothing more. They cheat themselves actually. If they can’t fly the way everyone else does, they are a cheat for changing BMS unit they can beat anyone.
Avioncs is strongly based on code therefore you cannot do anything to model F-35’s sensors. Even just modeling IRST on Su-27S or MiG-29 9.12/13 is not possible AFAIK…