Settle a bet
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MY nephews grand dad flew vipers, he is my sister in laws father, I am married to his daughter’s husband’s sister. I was showing him my rig, and he hadn’t flown tactical for a long time, he got out few years before desert storm, most of his time up was in the f-16a. Anyways, this was before GCAS, and he had a close call, so he got out.
Anyways, as he was using my sim and showing me some stuff on the bombing range, playing with the HOTAS, and flicking around the systems (he said it was amazing by the way, and when I told him it cost me like 5.00$ for the software you shoulda seen his face. He was dropping m82’s with the pipper, he didn’t like my yaw pedals (too narrow). I asked him to show me how he Lob tosses, so he found some stuff with the fcr and showed me a toss, then I asked him, verbatim;
" You don’t use the DTOS MODE with the Msl STEP?"
he looked at me
" DEE Toss mode?"“yeah” and I pushed the button to get to DTOS
" thats Direct Targeting Optical Sight" he said
" think about it, if you can see it, you’re not setting up for a low profile loft"
“So that doesn’t mean directional toss?”
" that’s the first time I heard that , maybe it’s an acronym after my time. I only use that mode when the FCR is in the weeds and I have Visual on the target area, usually smoke columns or blue smoke from the training rounds."
So I brought up the BMS documents, and then he showed me some other documents. SO we made a friendly bet.
Is it one, the other, or both?
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AIR-TO-GROUND ATTACK
INTRODUCTIONThe avionic system provides the capability to attack either preplanned or inflight-designated surface targets using one of more of the following air-to-ground weapon delivery submodes:
Strafe (STRF)
Continuously Computed Impact Point (CCIP)
Dive Toss (DTOS)
Visual Electro-Optical (VIS)
Continuously Computed Release Point (CCRP)
Low Altitude Drogue Delivery (LADD)
Preplanned Electro-Optical (PRE)
Boresighted Electro-Optical (BORE)
High Speed Antiradiation Missile (HARM), (POS and HAS)
Manual (MAN). -
What documents did he show you
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@MCH:
5.6.5. Dive Toss (DTOS)
The DTOS mode is used primarily to accomplish Low Altitude Toss (LAT) or Medium Altitude Toss
(MAT) deliveries. Initiate DTOS by selecting air-to-ground, the appropriate attack profile for the weapon,
and the DTOS delivery mode. The NWS button can be used to step to DTOS from CCIP or CCRP. ….@MCH:
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DR…dead reckoning
DTC …data transfer cartridge
DTOS……dive toss
Es ……specific energy
ECM …electronic countermeasures
…x:\Falcon BMS 4.33 U1\Docs\Operational Manuals\F-16 COMBAT AIRCRAFT FUNDAMENTALS - Multi-Command Handbook 11-F16 Vol5.pdf
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Might be a pilot ‘backronym’ - adding meaning to DTOS after the initialism was already a word.
I like Direct Targeting Optical Sight myself, it certainly fits better than Dive Toss (which the manuals mostly use).
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Definitely Dive Toss
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it got heated. LOL. thanks for your inputs. He knows I’m/we’re wrong.
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Well, in T.O. GR1F-16CJ-34-1-1 (1997, 16 June) version calls it Dive Toss.
Cant look at the -16CM P.T.O. Ive got at the moment, but I think that one also has it as Dive Toss.
I still like ‘direct targeting, optical sight’ though.
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Well, in T.O. GR1F-16CJ-34-1-1 (1997, 16 June) version calls it Dive Toss.
Cant look at the -16CM P.T.O. Ive got at the moment, but I think that one also has it as Dive Toss.
I still like ‘direct targeting, optical sight’ though.
That just sounds like the manual backup mode to me.
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bms gained another flier out of it, he is building a rig. Sure enough, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him here himself, tell us all we are wrong, eventually heh :). it was a friendly discussion but he submitted as well that it might be something unwritten more of a per usage development. I can’t read danish, which was a laugh too ( " look here it is! see?" I DON’t SPEAK THOR!)
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bms gained another flier out of it, he is building a rig. Sure enough, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him here himself, tell us all we are wrong, eventually heh :). it was a friendly discussion but he submitted as well that it might be something unwritten more of a per usage development. I can’t read danish, which was a laugh too ( " look here it is! see?" I DON’t SPEAK THOR!)
So he is hooked? Great! Let me know if the two of you want a wingman anytime!
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yeah im chomping at the bit to set him up. ordered a cpu with a 1250 for his rig helped him pick parts he was like NO on the warthog throttle said the x52 was closest after the cougar but cougars are too old nowadays.
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Id suggest checking out Lorik’s Ready Room on Discord at some point if you are looking for folks to fly with.
The x52 throttle is not bad, but its probably worth hunting for a cougar throttle.
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