Ff you could have one thing in the next update it would be…
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@TwanV:
Also here I never have problems with the oculus in that sense… I play for hours and the first thing to notice is basically my skull begins to ache where the straps are, but I have the same thing with headphones. You can’t beat VR for immersion, unless you have a replica pit and an immersive screen setup. Only the fact that to look over your shoulder you have to literally look over your shoulder is just so much better than trackIR.
I agree with you on the immersion and being able to actually look over your shoulder. I can see that is a great experience. You say you don’t have problems, but what about the long run? What about 5 or 10 years from now? If you fly a sim like Falcon (semi) daily for an hour or more with VR, I just can’t imagine that being good for your eyes in the long run. Everybody has to decide for himself of course what you want to do. And if sims get VR support in the future, great! As long as they keep the option as well for me to play without VR.
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still don’t know what you mean specifically Tomcatter, are you talking about eye muscles or something? I work at a desk for 8 hours a day (which is kind of widely accepted not to be too harmful) that 1 hour of BMS won’t ruin me further I reckon:D
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Sure… it’ll be super nice… as it was trackir back then and now it’s a must.
How many have VR now? like less than 10% of the total users?10% ? lol more like 1% or less is more like it according to the steam hw survey
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
VR Headsets
Oculus Rift 0.37%+0.01%
HTC Vive 0.33%0.00%
Windows Mixed Reality 0.07%+0.01%
HTC Vive Pro 0.02%0.00%
Oculus Rift DK2 0.01%0.00%
Oculus Rift DK1 0.00%0.00%
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@TwanV:
still don’t know what you mean specifically Tomcatter, are you talking about eye muscles or something? I work at a desk for 8 hours a day (which is kind of widely accepted not to be too harmful) that 1 hour of BMS won’t ruin me further I reckon:D
Yes, pretty much. Eye muscles, blue light etc. Maybe it’s not too harmful, but I understand there’s still a lot of discussion going on about it. I work at a desk too and only recently we’ve had a briefing on the potential dangers of staring at monitors all day and things you can do to minimize the risk. The difference between VR and a normal monitor is that with a normal monitor you can look away en refocus your eyes. With VR your eyes are constantly focused on the same distance the whole time. Maybe you are right and it’s not too harmful. My eyes are very precious to me though, so I’m not willing to take that risk until there are more studies available showing it doesn’t harm my eyes.
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10% ? lol more like 1% or less is more like it according to the steam hw survey
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/
VR Headsets
Oculus Rift 0.37%+0.01%
HTC Vive 0.33%0.00%
Windows Mixed Reality 0.07%+0.01%
HTC Vive Pro 0.02%0.00%
Oculus Rift DK2 0.01%0.00%
Oculus Rift DK1 0.00%0.00%
Huawei VR2 0.00%0.00%well that’s on all games gamers, we want to see flight simmers. Maybe it’s even less than this. Bur even if higher like 5% then still it’s not worth still, even for fun…
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VR is a fad.
Wait for mixed reality.
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well that’s on all games gamers, we want to see flight simmers. Maybe it’s even less than this. Bur even if higher like 5% then still it’s not worth still, even for fun…
31% of people use mostly/only VR, 12% mostly/only monitors without head tracking, the rest (57%) use mostly/only monitors with head tracking
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@TwanV:
the fact that a friendly controller setup is named next to VR tells me that most of these people are arcade fun loving casual gamers.
Hoggit discussion primarily focuses on DCS: World and BMS…
Not only on hoggit, about 10 of my flight sim friends also could not make BMS setup by their own, that’s why I developed alternative launcher. And they are regulary flying BMS now!
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Hoggit discussion primarily focuses on DCS: World and BMS…
Not only on hoggit, about 10 of my flight sim friends also could not make BMS setup by their own, that’s why I developed alternative launcher.
i really would like to see “live” someone not able to set up his joystick in BMS, i dont get it, really
edit: i must admit i dont use anything else than a cougar….
however, pitbuilders are able to set up extremely complex set up, so i beleive BMS is not so shitty finally in that area
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I work at a desk too and only recently we’ve had a briefing on the potential dangers of staring at monitors all day and things you can do to minimize the risk.
LOL, the only thing you can really do to minimize risk is to quit this job and do something else. Of course that is not really an option. But as a matter of fact, staring at a monitor all day long is not the greatest thing for your eyes and probably will lead to some degradation over time. Looking away every so often might help a little but probably wont change the situation.
Coming from the holidays having been out in the open the whole time, I clearly notice improvement in my vision as opposed after continued weeks of computer work, I can feel the strain of the eyes.VR might still not be good enough for prolonged sessions, especially with flight sims. Mainly the angular resolution is too low. (which doesnt mean it isn’t actually a lot of fun already). Improving the angular resolution (without compromising the FOV) will reduce eye strain especially in complex scenes such as flight sims. But easier said than done, because it is not only a matter of the HMDs, but also on the required processing power.
I for myself cannot notice any special or additional eye strain from using VR. But I also dont use it daily and individual sessions typically dont exceed an hour, so…
But really, the constant staring at a monitor at work gives me more concern regarding my eyes than occasionally enjoying VR experiences. It’s just nothing compared to having to stare on a monitor for 8+ hours a day…
Cheers
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Hmm I think chihirobelmo’s launcher features modifiers like a pinky-shift, that is a pretty useful feature that the BMS UI lacks of course (am I right?). I never encountered issues with that thanks to foxy but I don’t have a lot of experience with other tools, I can see some potential issues there.
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Except the poll is for 800 users… not very relevant statistically
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Except the poll is for 800 users… not very relevant statistically
and only for a questionnable sim
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Reasonably priced joystick user has to edit text file manually because they want to use pinky shift, which setup will not show up on UI screen. Then pinky shift stuck bug cause game unplayable for them. Fixing those stuck by assigning another pinky shift callback to shifted layer, is not well known knowledge. IIRC its also not on the manual. After few days, axis assign will disappear because they unplugged/plugged unsed/new device for other sim setup, they think they need to setup BMS again and that is enough reason to lose motivation to fly.
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Except the poll is for 800 users… not very relevant statistically
This basically - always look at how many were polled! A more relevant percentage might be what is 800 out of the entire player base. Typically people on forums have been a tiny minority of the player base even though they may act like the vocal majority.
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I just like the fact I can easily setup 2 and 3 way switches in seconds with the alternative launcher rather than configure Target (which I hate). While most people who fly BMS have at least some technical knowledge, as that kind of thing is in the sim itself, some who would like to fly it shy away due to a not exactly intuitive UI when setting things up. I hear that sometimes on forums/etc.
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LOL, the only thing you can really do to minimize risk is to quit this job and do something else. Of course that is not really an option. But as a matter of fact, staring at a monitor all day long is not the greatest thing for your eyes and probably will lead to some degradation over time. Looking away every so often might help a little but probably wont change the situation.
I don’t know about other countries but DSE requirements (Health & Safety) at your typical company is arms length away from the monitor with the top of the monitor around eye level (IIRC).
Eye strain /fatigue is the biggest problem and is made worse the closer your eyes are to the screen. So looking away and focusing on something else is a typical way to alleviate this. The other is to rest your eyes fully but even then not supposed to cause permanent eye damage.
I expect some VR users are on it for the same time they were on the monitor - a lot more then one hour don’t see why they would not be. Ideally taking the unit off to rest eyes but that takes discipline. Various bits of advise from opticians etc would suggest eye strain is still an issue with VR……best to look at good sources.
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i really would like to see “live” someone not able to set up his joystick in BMS, i dont get it, really
edit: i must admit i dont use anything else than a cougar….
however, pitbuilders are able to set up extremely complex set up, so i beleive BMS is not so shitty finally in that area
Based on my personal experience, I think the biggest difficulty is for new users which are not already knowledgeable on the functions of the F-16 HOTAS.
For example, I started up BMS for the first time and went in the “settings” menu to bind the keys of my Thrustmaster HOTAS-X… Only to be presented with a reeeeeeally long list of callbacks, with very cryptic names. Which are the useful ones? It is really difficult to know if you have no experience. This is especially true the less buttons and hats your joystick has compared to the real HOTAS: how can a complete newbie know that SimTMSUp is much more important than SimTMSLeft, for instance?
Luckily there was a ready-made profile (by Blueraven, I believe) for my model of joystick, which allowed me to start playing around a bit and learn by doing.
Nowadays, if I had to rebind all my keys I could probably do it with no problems (except maybe for the pinky shift, for which I would have to look around the forum), but what if I didn’t have the ready-made keyfile? I would have had to study in great detail the manuals… I probably would have given up playing BMS, instead!All this, in addition to the points raised by chihirobelmo, which mean the process is a bit counter-intuitive even for an user experienced in the F-16 (but not experienced in the quirks of BMS).
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https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?32571-Need-a-newbee-volonteer
Confirmed by the majority of new users having issues. Most of them are related to their Hotas
We tried to address this in the next manual suite by having a dedicated chapter to that setup with multiple examples, existing or adapting past ones and even a glimpse of creating new ones
We will also try to provide more ready made full configuration files…