Chengdu J-20
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Hello Joker !
thank you for your wise comments, and thank you for your video !
My favorite J-20 video is from CCTV-7 (they have a lot of interesting stuff)
There is a lot of shown details of the plane, and it’s good to feel yourself like in mainland China atmosphere to do an aircraft like this one.
I’m surprised to hear that on chinese networks J-20 makes debates. It must be a fabulous national pride to get such system ! Even if now, J-20 is still equivalent to F-22 Increment 1, updates will come, like the recent setup of a refuel system. It is probably the part I have least information about : I have some pictures I gathered from CCTV, but any additional picture would be really welcomed !
You mentioned that J-20 still uses Russian engine (I suppose AL-31F M2), but as far as I know, only prototypes use it, IOC J-20 already use WS15 right ? At least, this is what I have in my documentation.
As you see, engine is WS-15.
Out of topic : I also recommend this great CCTV-7 video, about the still recently almost secret Z20 helicopter.
Kind regards !
Radium
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Hello Joker !
thank you for your wise comments, and thank you for your video !
My favorite J-20 video is from CCTV-7 (they have a lot of interesting stuff)
There is a lot of shown details of the plane, and it’s good to feel yourself like in mainland China atmosphere to do an aircraft like this one.
I’m surprised to hear that on chinese networks J-20 makes debates. It must be a fabulous national pride to get such system ! Even if now, J-20 is still equivalent to F-22 Increment 1, updates will come, like the recent setup of a refuel system. It is probably the part I have least information about : I have some pictures I gathered from CCTV, but any additional picture would be really welcomed !
You mentioned that J-20 still uses Russian engine (I suppose AL-31F M2), but as far as I know, only prototypes use it, IOC J-20 already use WS15 right ? At least, this is what I have in my documentation.
As you see, engine is WS-15.
Out of topic : I also recommend this great CCTV-7 video, about the still recently almost secret Z20 helicopter.
Kind regards !
Radium
Hi Radium!
Thanks for your great efforts to make those model from Asian air force. We are very appreciate!
Your work reflects the meticulous and rigorous style of Japanese. I have a honda car. i like the Japanese made v-tec engine, very nice !As for J-20, I thinks PLAAF always make things mysterious.we don’t have enough information and some information we get may not be real. WS-15 is just a small batch on several J-20s for testing. it needs time to verify its reliability.
I think that engine won’t go into production before late 2030(it’s my opinion). Although mainland China has some setback on advanced engine development and can not beyond the West Opponent in the short time, its avionic and FLCS has great achievements.That’s why i said if you(dev team) add it to BMS, don’t set its fighting capacity or performance so high even exaggerated. Maybe it is a kind of another MIG-25 style aircraft but definitely formidable.
I think some fans of little red( those Chinese pro-communist Patriots) may curse me for what i said, but i don’t care.
BTW : CCTV is a Chinese national TV channel, It’s controlled by CCP. its main role is for propaganda. We young Chinese often make complaints to it. So don’t take CCTV so seriously.
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I’m surprised to hear that on chinese networks J-20 makes debates.
what surprise u?
@JOKER_duke:BTW : CCTV is a Chinese national TV channel, It’s controlled by CCP. its main role is for propaganda. We young Chinese often make complaints to it. So don’t take CCTV so seriously.
你舔得可真有点难看。无论如何,CCTV 的信誉还是比 CNN FOX 好很多的。虽然有时会粉饰太平,但至少不会颠倒黑白、指鹿为马。
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Out of topic : I also recommend this great CCTV-7 video, about the still recently almost secret Z20 helicopter.
Radium
Holy crap! Any plans to create a Z20 for Falcon Radium?? It sure would complicate Visual ID for any fighter pilot!
I believe it would be an interesting challenge! :thumb:
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你舔得可真有点难看。无论如何,CCTV 的信誉还是比 CNN FOX 好很多的。虽然有时会粉饰太平,但至少不会颠倒黑白、指鹿为马。
I am not sure such comments should be accepted in BMS community.
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Holy crap! Any plans to create a Z20 for Falcon Radium?? It sure would complicate Visual ID for any fighter pilot!
https://defence-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/CwlXAtRXAAA1v2a-696x462.jpg
I believe it would be an interesting challenge! :thumb:
Hello,
Why not ! But not after this one.
After J-20 I will make something very classical, maybe Mig-21MF, Il78/A50 or Mig-17. I also have Sukhoi Su-27/35 to finish and commit.
Cheers,
Radium
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just 2 cents to this rather old “exact modeling values” topic.
When AC is considered AI “only”….then more geneneric values are OK.
You just need to know if its more interceptor than fighter, where is usual/favourite speed, if it is rather AA or multirole…or AG.In the end it flies somewhere between M 0.8 - M 1.6 and is trying to lock you inside 50nm buble range…while you have problems to lock it at 25 nm because it is stealth (at least a bit) …and thats all
AI definitions and doctrines are more important than exact CL curves here…
P.S. I have no problem to link AN-2 FM with KA-52 to fly among(through) trees and spawn Vikhrs and Archers onto imperialists :mrgreen:
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Oooh a new MiG-21MF or MiG-17 would be fantastic too! Can’t wait to see what’s next!
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Hello,
Why not ! But not after this one.
After J-20 I will make something very classical, maybe Mig-21MF, Il78/A50 or Mig-17. I also have Sukhoi Su-27/35 to finish and commit.
Cheers,
Radium
- MiG-21MF/bis would be useful for pre 2000 era and they are almost identical. (Almost.) They are useful literally everywhere. Even for MiG-21 LanceR is good the MF.
(My father worked on 20+ years on MiG-21s he can gave very precise description about the differences if it is needed.) - Two different evolution line of the Su-30 exist they are not the same concerning on their stabilizers canards and some minor things. They are one of the most potent Cold War multirole fighters.
- Su-27 are also good but rather Su-35 the Su-30 family would be more suitable it operates in many many countries outside Russian. Su-27(S) is literally A J-11A. Other operators are less important but as a late Cold War and post cold war fighter is important.
- Il-78/A-50 has a common base I guess you can do it very quickly.
I would recommend a different jet instead MiG-17 especially (as I can judge) most of player prefer (?) the 2000s scenario.
The BLUEFOR currently has three SOJ airplanes.
EF-111
EA-6B
EA-18GThe REDFOR has none. For REDFOR it would be great to have at least one or two.
Su-24MP for Russian (late Cold War post Cold War)
Tu-16/H-6 for EW PRC and/or USSRBoth in single player and MP campaign are useful.
I do not know what assets are used in MP campaign but it would look quite strange if one side can have SOJ plane according the era but the other is not.
IMHO both sides deserve a SOJ plan. The Su-24MP requires only minimal work on the current new 3D model. - MiG-21MF/bis would be useful for pre 2000 era and they are almost identical. (Almost.) They are useful literally everywhere. Even for MiG-21 LanceR is good the MF.
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what surprise u?
你舔得可真有点难看。无论如何,CCTV 的信誉还是比 CNN FOX 好很多的。虽然有时会粉饰太平,但至少不会颠倒黑白、指鹿为马。
…… Record as evidence
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Please use English in accordance with the forum rules which you all have accepted.
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a little info update for u:
<kanwa defense=“” review=“”>is a magazine register in canada by a chinese defector(change his name to a russian name), founded mainly by japan gov. actually, the word “kanwa” pronounciate more like a japanese word, not a chinese word.</kanwa> -
Some info on the flight characteristics on J-20:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/translation-of-j-20-article-by-dr-song-wencong.165231/
This research article is written by Dr Song Wenzhong which is the chief designer of J-10. The aerodynamic characteristics is described is effectively that of J-20.
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Please use English in accordance with the forum rules which you all have accepted.
Hi
Gear5 used indecent Chinese word to insult me, i think it has violated forum rules. Hope Moderators can make corresponding punishment. Thanks!
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Hello,
J-20 has started !
https://i.imgur.com/T1NeN9d.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GdRjkp2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Q1Q3iP8.jpg
Kind regards,
Radium
LICENSE :
We hereby declare this model to be fully made by my hands, every vertex or polygon was made by myself, we never used any 3D exterior material to build this Chengdu J-20.
Third parties are not eligible to request this model to be used in their theater, unless this Chengdu J-20 is a part of an official BMS release.
CREDITS :
Radium …… Project owner
BadBoy… Database integration
Dee-Jay… DataI am just waiting for Mirage III/V
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I am just waiting for Mirage III/V
Don’t expect it from me.
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I absolutely love Mirage IIIE as it is to me the most beautiful Cold War fighter aircraft,
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But has no relevance in KTO
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I don’t want it to be used right away to wear a PAF livery to make anti India propaganda like some did on Facebook with my J-7.
Regards,
Radium
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Radium, not meaning to go off-topic, but I wasn’t sure how often you visit past threads… Regarding the MiG-21F13, I’ve noticed two minor issues:
1. The HP on each wing seem to have a differing amount of space between between 0 and 1 compared to 3 and 4 (i.e. distance between HP is wider on one wing that between HP on the other) and are further forward on one wing than the other. Here I do say “seem” because I’m blind in one eye and cannot be absolutely certain, I’m viewing them correctly.
2. It’s difficult to see unless you look very closely, but the nozzle appears to be off-center and slightly protrudes through the outer skin of the fuselage housing surrounding the nozzle’s base:
Not intending as critism, just noticed… : )
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Radium, not meaning to go off-topic, but I wasn’t sure how often you visit past threads… Regarding the MiG-21F13, I’ve noticed two minor issues:
1. The HP on each wing seem to have a differing amount of space between between 0 and 1 compared to 3 and 4 (i.e. distance between HP is wider on one wing that between HP on the other) and are further forward on one wing than the other. Here I do say “seem” because I’m blind in one eye and cannot be absolutely certain, I’m viewing them correctly.
2. It’s difficult to see unless you look very closely, but the nozzle appears to be off-center and slightly protrudes through the outer skin of the fuselage housing surrounding the nozzle’s base:
https://i.imgur.com/ffGwYkK.jpg
Not intending as critism, just noticed… : )
Hello,
First, no problem to post it here. A bit off topic, but you know, at least, this is 3D dev !
Some people suspected before that I didn’t followed 3D 3rd party dev, but this is so wrong, I follow very closely those projects and same for old projects.
Nevertheless, for Mig-21 F-13 is not mine ! It’s from Topolo !
Maybe you could ask him ? I’m sure he will be very happy to update his model, as your remark is fully relevant.
Best regards,
Radium