Dcs World Viper and Falcon BMS
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People asking these questions in this Forum always fascinates me. If someone was to come into my home and ask, “So, is your wife’s lasagna as good as the pizza joint down the street?”. Dude, my wife’s is amazing!! That guy’s sucks. Of course coming to the repository of all things BMS is going to yield the proper answer
But most importantly, if someone walks into my house and asks about my wife’s lasagna the most important question is WHO THE HELL ARE YOU ?? ( and who let you in anyway)
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Actually…a it’s better to ask the ultimate question:
What is the meaning of life the universe and everything.Too easy… 42
…and I’ve got my towel
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First of all thank you all guys
I am not trying to make views or more posts in my thread
Only i need to know the truth
I played dcs world this month only and iam playing bms i think since 6 yearsI am not a pilot to judge on bms or dcs
I just asked a simple question "what is more realistic not what is the best "
And thanks for all those answered me
Sorry for my English languagethe answer is simple
Take a -1 and a -34 and compare
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Now I’m really beginning to enjoy this thread.
Well done chaps !
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Lest we forget your Developer’s Notes, Mav-JP.
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DCS F-16 is nearly empty at this stage.
IFF and DLK are “perfect” … (understand, not realistically modeled)
FCR is incomplete.
No AG radar, no SPI, no DED pages.
FLCS/FM are off at diferent levels (More or less correct in CATI depending on AOA, roll rates are completely off in CATIII, on set not correct, fuel consummation completely off … etc …)
Avionics is much uncompleted.… etc …
… etc …
So far … the only point where DCS F-16 is (to me) superior to BMS, is the quality of the 3D cockpit and textures. General engine sounds and cockpit ambiance. And the fact that the DED TACAN page is featuring the TCN/REC mode which is missing in BMS.
For anything else … there is no comparison possible (yet).Here is also a test on acceleration/stop performances.
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4129658&postcount=42
Here is the same tests under BMS:
Made also some other quick and easy FM tests
… from that point, I didn’t went further.
To get better idea, I suggest to go on DCS F-16 and check the forum and reports.Remember, DCS F-16 is an early access (but yet, a very uncompleted and very bugged early aces, nice to fly around in VR).
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Read the manuals, fly the sims, do your research - many of the answers you seek will be found this way letting make up your own mind which gives you the better experience. Sitting being spoon-fed everything will ultimately mean you get no satisfaction from either BMS or DCS. Then, IF will not be required any longer.
Or ask around and save yourself some money. No reason to buy DCS at this point given the OPs criteria. Besides no harm in asking and getting a chit chat going. Look how many people got in here and read and presumably enjoyed this thread – I know I did. None of which would’ve happened had the OP not asked the original question. It sparked Dee-Jay’s and other informative posts. I get it that there’s a lot to be said about the journey of simming in studying and testing it yourself etc. But there’s also a lot to be said for getting hands-on instruction and verbal information from a flight instructor, veteran pilot, and-or aerospace engineer and some may enjoy that method of discovery more than taking engineering courses.
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First of all thank you all guys
I am not trying to make views or more posts in my thread
Only i need to know the truth
I played dcs world this month only and iam playing bms i think since 6 yearsI am not a pilot to judge on bms or dcs
I just asked a simple question "what is more realistic not what is the best "
And thanks for all those answered me
Sorry for my English languageI want to add to Dee-Jays answer also that the dynamic campaign makes things more realistic for me. A sterile world is the bane of the simulator genre, in my opinion. Real world isn’t an isolated scenario but rather a chaotic place. Out of your control, very much unpredictable and you couldn’t be aware of everything if you tried. The potentially overwhelming effects of “fog of war” on cognition are too often ignored in simulators, despite being such a vital part of reality. There’s a good reason there are more scientific publications on this than there are on the color of the fur on the seat of a USAF F-16C Block 50 in 2007.
Obviously I’m still all about realistic flight models, avionics and cockpits, wouldn’t be here otherwise. It’s just that BMS has this too. Also no hate towards DCS, been meaning to try it sometime
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Now it’s a good time, they have a bunch of stuff (all of it, in fact, as long as you’re not on Steam) for free for a limited time. On Steam, it ends in two days, I believe it’ll last longer on the standalone. There are (or will be, on Steam) discounts on stuff, too. They’ve been doing that sort of thing to help people get through the COVID pandemic (and get them hooked on DCS, naturally ).
Dynamic campaign is good, but I don’t agree that IRL you don’t have isolated scenarios. I would say, most small-scale air operations (both small exercises and COIN ops) can be considered such. It’s full-scale warfare of a sort that BMS simulates that’s rare, and I think it’s a very good thing, because it’s rather devastating (just look at North Korea at the end of a typical BMS campaign). Of course, that’s not to say it can’t happen and it definitely does happen on occasion. Both kinds of scenarios have their place.
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Now it’s a good time, they have a bunch of stuff (all of it, in fact, as long as you’re not on Steam) for free for a limited time. On Steam, it ends in two days, I believe it’ll last longer on the standalone. There are (or will be, on Steam) discounts on stuff, too. They’ve been doing that sort of thing to help people get through the COVID pandemic (and get them hooked on DCS, naturally ).
Dynamic campaign is good, but I don’t agree that IRL you don’t have isolated scenarios. I would say, most small-scale air operations (both small exercises and COIN ops) can be considered such. It’s full-scale warfare of a sort that BMS simulates that’s rare, and I think it’s a very good thing, because it’s rather devastating (just look at North Korea at the end of a typical BMS campaign). Of course, that’s not to say it can’t happen and it definitely does happen on occasion. Both kinds of scenarios have their place.
All about flavor of the player…you like big scale NATO war or small skirmishes? It’s awesome that we have this choice to select one or the other or both. I am thankful just for the opportunity to fly a SIM of this magnitude (BMS) - nothing against DCS at all, total respect. BMS is simply my cup of tea.
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Or ask around and save yourself some money. No reason to buy DCS at this point given the OPs criteria. Besides no harm in asking and getting a chit chat going. Look how many people got in here and read and presumably enjoyed this thread – I know I did. None of which would’ve happened had the OP not asked the original question. It sparked Dee-Jay’s and other informative posts. I get it that there’s a lot to be said about the journey of simming in studying and testing it yourself etc. But there’s also a lot to be said for getting hands-on instruction and verbal information from a flight instructor, veteran pilot, and-or aerospace engineer and some may enjoy that method of discovery more than taking engineering courses.
Not for the first time, you have missed the point entirely.
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Visually there is no comparison… DCS hands down… but I’ve loved F4 since it was F3
Overall BMS hands down, and I’ve never tried MP
Now, who has the gumption to get us Falcon 6.0?
- bruzzer
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I would say, most small-scale air operations (both small exercises and COIN ops) can be considered such.
You have a good point. This is a biased opinion but, would still prefer that the rest of the world existed even in such cases, both for immersion and possibilities, even small ones, of things happening beyond the limits of the maker’s imagination. There’s been the rare case of a western fighter on its anti-ISIS mission coming across an old Soviet ground attack aircraft… things like that
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People asking these questions in this Forum always fascinates me. If someone was to come into my home and ask, “So, is your wife’s lasagna as good as the pizza joint down the street?”. Dude, my wife’s is amazing!! That guy’s sucks. Of course coming to the repository of all things BMS is going to yield the proper answer
There is the hope that some people are grown up enough to give an intellectual answer. But just like the rest of humanity, 80% of BMS forum is emotional and tribal instead of academic.
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There is the hope that some people are grown up enough to give an intellectual answer. But just like the rest of humanity, 80% of BMS forum is emotional and tribal instead of academic.
Beeing academic and tribal is not antagonistic
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Beeing academic and tribal is not antagonistic
And here’s the proof:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tribal_colleges_and_universities
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Of course by now you know DCS has no realistic campaign engine like BMS. Plus the DCS is eye candy IMO, BMS gives it to you at face value being the realist it can be; I’d stick with BMS because DCS will never have DC or level of sophistication BMS does.
Pucker factor scale:
BMS–Over 9000
DCS-- 7.6