Sukhoi Su-27/Su-33/Su-35/Su-30 Shenyang J-11/J-15
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Copy, thank you for this report.
We will fix that as soon as possible.
Regards,
Radium
As I can remember I mentioned but I can’t find my comment.
Moskit on the Su-33 never was possible. Not even from land base. It is simple common misinformation. -
As I can remember I mentioned but I can’t find my comment.
Moskit on the Su-33 never was possible. Not even from land base. It is simple common misinformation.Do you have a proof of this ?
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Do you have a proof of this ?
everywhere it is written that moskit is fitted for SU33 … , strange…
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Not a proof, but the DB of CMO/CMANO does not list the P-270 being carried by the SU-33/J-15. The J-15 according to CMO, and corroborated by Janes, can carry the YJ-83K.
I looked into several Janes books in the last 20 years and could not find any reference about the Moskit being carried by any SU-27 variant.
The only place I found a reference about the SU-33 and P-270 is the wikipedia (and other general sites based on the wiki)……not a very good source, I guess.EDIT: I found the following info on the Janes Air Launched Weapons of 2001 and 2003:
“A trials model of the Kh-41 was displayed at the 1992 Moscow Air Show. The missile was thought to be in the final stages of
development and could have been intended as the replacement for AS-4Kitchen' and AS-6
Kingfish’ air-to-surface missiles.
However, reports in 1994 suggested that any air-launched Kh-41 missile would be too heavy for aircraft carrier operations and
that the programme was not funded from 1993. However, aircraft were still being displayed in 1996 with Kh-41 attached. In
1998, there were again proposals to fit this missile to the future Su-30/-32/-33 aircraft, for export to China and India.
Integration tests were completed in 1997, and two flight tests reported in 1998. It is believed that the ship-launched version,
P-270, will continue to be developed for possible fitment to later built Project 956ASovremenny 2' class destroyers as a replacement for the SS-N-22
Sunburn’.”After 2003, I did not find any entry anymore. Probably discontinued?!
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Well…one only needs to reasearch properly.
Yefim Gordon writes in his book “SOVIET/ RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT WEAPONS” in 2004…In 1980 MKB Raduga brought out the Kh-41
anti-shipping missile designed for use both
by surface ships and as an air-launched
weapon carried by the Su-27K (Su-33) shipboard
fighter…
…
Due to its large size and weight the
Kh-41 can only be carried on a special pylon
on the Su-27K’s centreline, fitting neatly into
the tunnel between the air intake trunks.
…
The missile entered Soviet Navy service
in 1984 - initially in a surface-to-surface version
designated 3M80 and named Moskit
(Mosquito); in tube-launched form it was
carried by Molniya (Lightning) class fast
missile boats, Samoom (Simoom) class
hovercraft and Sovremennw (Modern) class
destroyers. (Note: The names mentioned
here are the Soviet names of the actual first
ships in the classes, not NATO codenames
like ‘Juliet class submarine’.) The airlaunched
version designated Kh-41 followed
later as a weapon for the Su-27K, the
Soviet/Russian Navy’s sole operational conventional
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AFAIK there is no evidence (photo or video in flight) about possibility to carry Moskit by any variant of Su-27 (except static exhibitions)
Looks like only Su-30 MKI is able atm to launch supersonic ASM - Brahmos (export variant of P-800 Onix)
Besides there was reports about limitations of SU-33 TO weight due using ski jump on Kuzniecov -
AFAIK there is no evidence (photo or video in flight) about possibility to carry Moskit by any variant of Su-27 (except static exhibitions)
Looks like only Su-30 MKI is able atm to launch supersonic ASM - Brahmos (export variant of P-800 Onix)
Besides there was reports about limitations of SU-33 TO weight due using ski jump on KuzniecovEven in exhibitions the missile was just put there and not on the plane.
I have seen so far 0 video and image about carry and / or launch it. It was just a PR / marketing / plan but it never was realized. -
They put also Yakhont on plate so it is defenetelly PR there. More or less there is a picture (static but still)
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Is this a Moskit, isnt’?
And what about this one? Seems to be in the ramp….
And more one:
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About first pic
Yup its a Moskit but entire weapon config is really strange - one long range ASM and 2 short range ARMs under fuselage… If i have good remember there are KH-27 (AS-12 Kegler)…Other photos are probably from Monino AF Museum
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I think it was planned to put one in the Su27K (SU-33)….Janes wrote was cancelled. Yefim in 2004 does not write clearly that it was fielded and when. In all his books after that I could not find any reference to it.
There are some pictures but of acft in expositions…the last one above is of the SU-27K prototype…
Probably it was not really fielded. -
I think it was planned to put one in the Su27K (SU-33)….Janes wrote was cancelled. Yefim in 2004 does not write clearly that it was fielded and when. In all his books after that I could not find any reference to it.
There are some pictures but of acft in expositions…the last one above is of the SU-27K prototype…
Probably it was not really fielded.Yup thats true
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The model of the Moskit was on the T-10K-5, T-10K-6 and the 109 number T-10K-9 only for demonstration purpose. That is it. Never went farther the whole thing.
And these were not live weapons.
Was not a single live weapon launch or even carrying the live weapon. Just on the ground on Mosaeroshow.This is an very old image about proto of Su-34 when it was called differently, it was the 2nd prototype.
Should we add Mostkit just because a model of the weapon was put for marketing goal on the plane on the ground about early '90s? Nope.
The Moskit is just as “real” as AGM-84 on F-14 or AIM-54 on F-4s. Or not even serious. You can find images about these test, but they were never applied. The Moskit is also such thing. It was just an idea not more than that.
During the Syrian trip in 2016 the Su-33 used only bombs. During the peacetime live fire practice even the UB rockets were rare only gun and bombs. When the Su-33s were manufactured following the collapse of the USSR even the Kh-29 missiles were forgotten for the plane even it was planned the Kh-25/29/31 family at least.
During the whole career the combat capability of the Su-33 from CV was questionable because it could take off only about 1000-1500 kg weapons with 50% fuel. In cold weather but in Syria this was even smaller because of the higher air temperature.
Most of the flight time was consumed just keeping the CV capability. The Su-33 was the plane of the Cold War and vanished almost the whole by the collapse of the USSR. And the bad selection by the lobby in USSR. The MiG-29K would be the good choice not the Su-27K… -
Previous post is updated.
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Whci a/c are using the Moskit then?
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There is though a chinese version of the KH-31 (not the KH-41), which is a supersonic missile, +200nm range: the YJ-12. It is about 2/3 of the P-270 moskit in size and weight
It can be carried by the H-6 Badgers and the JH-7s more recently. Thus it may be relevant for KTO scenario in the future. It also comes in a ship-launched version.
And I have killed many US carriers in the Yellow Sea recently in CMO….lovely. -
when can we use these models? Does anyone know where I can find the Sukhoi cockpit? please
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when can we use these models? Does anyone know where I can find the Sukhoi cockpit? please
Hello,
For now I did Su-33, Su-35 and J-15. I’m not sure when the rest will Côme. It depends on my mood and wishes !
Radium
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Hello,
For now I did Su-33, Su-35 and J-15. I’m not sure when the rest will Côme. It depends on my mood and wishes !
Radium
I love Su-27 series~~