Thrustmaster® HOTAS Magnetic Base and F-16C Viper™ HOTAS Add-On Grip.
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Gosh, unanimously negative.
There I was looking around for a replacement for my Saitek X52 Pro……:(
I bought a TM Warthog stick in late February which is essentially the same thing. I’m very happy with it, especially after modding the springs to make it easier on my wrist.
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http://mobile.thrustmaster.com/en_UK/products/hotas-magnetic-base?destination=505/
Waste of money in my opinion.
isn’t this the same old base and stick but sold separately? The upside is that you can now buy the grip for your Warthog or Falcon (still not sure what’s with the Viper), and buy a Virpil base, but I do wish to see a good quality Falcon throttle from anyone.
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I bought a TM Warthog stick in late February which is essentially the same thing. I’m very happy with it, especially after modding the springs to make it easier on my wrist.
I wish they’d remake the Cougar with the same quality as the Warthog with how popular Falcon is on top the fact DCS has an F-16 module now. At least the throttle for falcons sake.
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http://mobile.thrustmaster.com/en_UK/products/hotas-magnetic-base?destination=505/
Waste of money in my opinion.
I second this comment. Just a money grab by thrust masters with 0 added value. trying to get the super enthusiast to make another purchase. How about they actual make something new like a throttle.
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I second this comment. Just a money grab by thrust masters with 0 added value. trying to get the super enthusiast to make another purchase. How about they actual make something new like a throttle.
That’s what I was saying, they need to redo the Cougar throttle with today’s quality.
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I just wish they would stop fickin around and bring out a new F-16 throttle.
I wish Logitech would stop fickin around and bring out a new force sensing stick, maybe an X66. Like the X65F, but split in two devices (like the X56), with the POV hat/pickle layout from the X56 and maybe with a two stage trigger and a third position for the thumb slider. That would be super awesome, especially if the price stays below 450 bucks.
And maybe an alternate stick base without force sensing, so it’s possible to switch between force-sensing and normal operation.
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“force-sensing and normal operation.”
I thought force sensing was normal operation ?
surely the days of the “sloppy joe” stick are long gone in modern RL???
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I wish Logitech would stop fickin around and bring out a new force sensing stick, maybe an X66. Like the X65F, but split in two devices.
I have the X65F and just use JG and
vJoy to split it up in 2 devices so all the additional hat and buttons on the throttle are DX accessible in BMS as wellGesendet von meinem SM-G930F mit Tapatalk
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I have the X65F and just use JG and
vJoy to split it up in 2 devices so all the additional hat and buttons on the throttle are DX accessible in BMS as wellGesendet von meinem SM-G930F mit Tapatalk
Does JG also allow using the microstick without having to mess with the registry?
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Does JG also allow using the microstick without having to mess with the registry?
Yes.
Make sure in HOTAS Cougar Control Panel window that the microstick x and y axis are programmed in such a way that in the HOTAS Cougar Viewer window they appear as S1 and S2 (Slider 1 and Slider 2).
Then, after installing vJoy and JGremlin, you’ll see that in JGremlin both your microstick axis will recognized automatically and correctly!
If your TQS has been modded (mine with R4ley USB standalone mod) then it is even easier, because the microstick axis do not need to be programmed by the driver anymore, and will work great instantly in JGremlin.
Test if microstick X and Y inputs are output at sliders S1 and S2:
Program the correct windows axis to the microstick x and y until it outputs as S1 and S2 (picture not correct, just trial and error):
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Yes.
Make sure in HOTAS Cougar Control Panel window that the microstick x and y axis are programmed in such a way that in the HOTAS Cougar Viewer window they appear as S1 and S2 (Slider 1 and Slider 2).
Then, after installing vJoy and JGremlin, you’ll see that in JGremlin both your microstick axis will recognized automatically and correctly!
If your TQS has been modded (mine with R4ley USB standalone mod) then it is even easier, because the microstick axis do not need to be programmed by the driver anymore, and will work great instantly in JGremlin.
Test if microstick X and Y inputs are output at sliders S1 and S2:
http://www.schoenstatt-antofagasta.cl/capa9/2017/dcs/201701%20Cougar%20Install%20Tutorial/f11.jpgProgram the correct windows axis to the microstick x and y until it outputs as S1 and S2 (picture not correct, just trial and error):
http://www.schoenstatt-antofagasta.cl/capa9/2017/dcs/201701%20Cougar%20Install%20Tutorial/f10.jpgSorry, my question was about the X65.
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TM is like a lot of company’s that fall victim to their success and lack of competition they dont feel the need to take a next step they are going to see that company’s like VKB / Virpil / are going to do to them what Honda did to GM once you loose market share the game is over your financial future cant live on who you used top be.
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…it wasn’t until I started my Viper pit project that I learned that TM makes FAR more money off their military contracts than off of any of us. Never would have figured.
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For you TM guys that may not know about MTWSims, Marvin (rel4y on DCS Forum) is working on a force sensing base for Cougars and Warthogs, read a bit here…
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I’m actually looking into making my own, DIY limited displacement force-sensing base. The idea is quite simple, a 6mm rod anchored on one end and mounted to an 10mm cylinder (short piece cut off a rod) on the other, fitted into a GE10 bearing. On the other end, an 8mm hole is drilled, into which a long M8 screw in screwed in, for mounting the stick. A plate just above the bearing creates a mechanical stop (this would need incredibly precise placement). The rod has 2 or 3 tensometers attached to it, and the whole mess is wired to an Arduino through tensometeric bridges (readily available). In addition, a plate would be attached right near the rod, to provide additional resistance when pulling the stick (this is to get the same response profile as in the real thing).
My problem right now is the length of the rod. There’s a full-on replica project on Viperpits which I took my inspiration from, but it uses a flex rod made out of rather expensive tool steel. I’m pretty sure the same response could be achieved by a normal construction steel rod (of the kind I can get cheap at a hardware store) of a different length, but the calculations required eluded me so far. Bending moments are very much not straightforward to calculate. There’s also the frame, which I’m not really sure how to do. The forces are too great for anything but metal, but I don’t have a CNC machine, so there’s no much I can do with metal but bend and drill it (and even that’s a lot of work).
BTW, funnily enough, from the project at Viperpits I learned that the real F-16 stick, contrary to popular opinion, is not force sensing (early prototypes might have been, but it turned out some displacement was needed). It uses LDVTs, which are transformer-based high precision linear position sensors. People think its a force sensing stick because its main spring is a great big metal rod and the throw is very small. However, as LDVTs are very expensive and need AC power to boot, so it’s easier to make the replica force-sensing.