BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal
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Joe/Gianni, Smartaxe just sent me an Installer for you know what. Public release happens once I get it uploaded to my Mediafire Account. I sent you guys a pm about the next project sitting on my shelf.
Done, dearest bro, thanks for having told me this.
Deeply sorry for having answered so late, I was a little busy.
With best regards.
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Good Day, All,
We have been asked to give āsome Mafia Loveā to the Harrier and the Tornado cockpits. I took a long look at them last night, and have some thoughts Iād like to share and get the Groupās views on.
Option One- Tweak the stock pits. I know this is what our friends really want, so that is the WIP. Both pits need help, even to ramp start. So, work will be continuing, and I hope we can achieve our goals. It will be time well spent, as it includes procedures I havenāt learned but want to. So, it will be fun( in my crazy kind of way). However, as it will entail ā3-4 Mafia Weeksā, I thought Iād invest last night in other options.
And, soā¦
Option 2_ Voice Attack- Given our recent work with the Harrierās āSTO Button Emulatorā in VA, I thought about taking it further. With the Alt. Launcher itās easy to assign keyboard commands to a callback, and from there use VA. For example , both jets lack a jfs hotspot and other things needed to RAMP. So, say with AL you make jfs 2 shift+j in BMS-Full, then make a vocal command from that. I just did it with āStart 2ā and it works.
This would get people who want the stock pit in the air.
Would it be of use to the Group if I were to tweak my VA profile to fix the missing hotspots, then share that profile?? Itās a personal preference thing, if you want to tweak your own profile, itās fairly easy to do.
Option 3, otherwise known as āwhat I did last nightā- Plug in the Viper/Horent Pits
The Tornado was easy to drop the Viper pit into, using Section VII of the Fighters Manual. The wing model you want to end up with is 1196. It would also work with Mafia Pit, if you like. Lately, Iāve kind of been doing Viper for land based/MP for naval.
It took a bit more work to put the MP in the Harrier due to the lack of hotspots for nozzle lever and cruise/STOL switch. But, thanks to Brother Axe Tech Mafia mAN(hereby immortalized as BATMAN), we got it done.
In the Mafia Files there is now a folder ā4.35 AV8 with Mafia Pitā Put itās contents into 4.35>data>your theater>art>ckpitart> av8 folder, replacing what is there.
What it does 1) Puts THE MP in
2) changes wingmodel to a functional 607 ( thanks again, Brother Axe. That was making my head hurt)
3) Adds-SimAltFlapsNorm -1.88413 1.198688 -2.041121 30 311 1
SimAltFlapsExtend -1.88413 1.198688 -2.041121 30 311 2
It turns out Cruise/STOL cockpit switch controls something BMS-Full calls Alternate Flaps( I havenāt checked if thatās what theyāre called in the Harrier) The entry above puts it on the Flap switch hotspot in the MP(left click cruise/right click STOL). Donāt worry, the flaps still work in the F-18. One of my goals is to make a setup you can still use in different jets.
Nozzle posit. is easily set with AL. I have mine on Stick POV up/down for inc./dec. nozzle angle , with trim as shifted functions
I have our VA STO Emulator, mentioned previously, on Stick POV right. Of course, Noz. posit. and STO are purely personal preference. Have your own fun
Fortunately, the upper right corner display is still there to show Noz.posit. Also, Brother Stevie pointed out the Harrier doesnāt have LEFās. But, the āLEFā value is actually showing the Alternate Flap extension. So, if itās 0 deg. itās in Cruise, and 21 deg. is STOL.
So all this in place, youāre good to go.
Also as previously mentioned, I was going to do some takeoff testing with the Harrier. I " killed 2 birds with one stone" and combined it with MP cockpit testing. I found that I could get consistent take offs at a GWT of 26811 and a loadout of full fuel,4 Mav G, and 2 AIM-120B. , using the following procedureā¦- Cruise/STOL to STOL.
- When given taxi clearance , slow your taxi forward when you get close to Spot 6. You want to be as far aft as possible and still have the Tower call you. At my TIr settings, the ā6ā on the spot was just at the top of my instrument panel. Practice helps.
- Nozzle to 10 deg. down. Cancel NWS. When given takeoff clearance, hold brakes HARD and advance to full throttle, releasing the brakes as soon as the jet overcomes them
- When you cross the āpainted lineā for landing spot 1, hit your STO button
- The moment ( as in have your hand on the gear switch/lever) you leave the deck, gear up and pull about 15 deg. nose up.
- Once in positive climb, start cycling nozzles aft.
- When at nozzle 30 deg and established in climb C/S to Cruise. ( PER NATOPS, do not go below 25 deg. in STOL Mode). Continue nozzles aft to zero
Give it a try, and let me know what you think
Today, Iām finally going to learn how to land the Harrier. :shock: Or die repeatedly trying. Itās been nice knowing youā¦
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Update 2 for the dayā¦
Brother Jackal and I have been talking about putting together a section of tech. tips, flying procedures, tactical discussion, etc. For your inspection, now in the unzipped Mafia Files folder there is the BMS Fighters Manual, Volume 2:New Additions. Check it out, and let me know what you think about the format -
We talked about it.
You did it.
Thatās the way to make good things finally happen!
Great.
So, listen instead: what would you have liked to do to my personal birdieās cockpit, then? :dhorse:Gianni.
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I as well have been trying to land with the harrier, its very complex. Take off seems to be pretty easy once you know what your doing. I have managed to do a standard landing with the harrier but never a V/STOL one. My Standard landing was a bit rough as well lol. Harrier has a very different feel then the F16 so it takes a bit of getting use to. Also did you mean you were putting the F18 pit into the Harrier or did I misunderstand?
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Hi, Guys,
Jackal, Iāve already pmād you about your favorite bird.
Martin, Donāt feel bad. I had a quite interesting time last night trying, repeat trying , to land On the Boat. Itās that translation from hovering abeam the ship. Yikes. As my tweaked Harrier is currently in the Nevada theater, I made a quicky TE to replicate the training mission over in the KTO. I the author had the good idea to learn the hover over a land base to start.
Also, yes, Iāve put the modified Hornet pit we call the āMafia Pitā in the Harrier. -
Iāve got it, hermano, thanks a lot.
But thatās not the point still, Iām afraidā¦ you already know well that getting that same FF6 Tornado 2-seater cockpit in 3D is my ultimate goal.
Even we could do thatā¦ that would be a real godsend, do you agree? So, letās aim to that and talk about how, I guess.
With best regards.
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Iāve got it, hermano, thanks a lot.
But thatās not the point still, Iām afraidā¦ you already know well that getting that same FF6 Tornado 2-seater cockpit in 3D is my ultimate goal.
Even we could do thatā¦ that would be a real godsend, do you agree? So, letās aim to that and talk about how, I guess.
With best regards.
Hi, Compadre. As previously mentioned, work on the stock pit is still underway. So, that would be your ultimate solution. unless, youāre trying to make a pit with a human GIB(Guy In Back). Thatās been discussed a little in regards to the Tomcat,Phantom, even the Rhino-F(one of my personal āpetā birds) How to to that technically is well above my paygrade.
In fact , let me present that to the Group- IS that possible without code access?
All,
VTOL landing testing (aka:multiple aerial suicides) continues. Iām doing it in the Harrier and the F-35B. Itās my supposition that whoever set that bird up used tweaked Harrier data. That jet is interesting since with that afterburning engine, Iām getting easy take offs at 40K plus GWT. -
How to to that technically is well above my paygrade.
In fact , let me present that to the Group- IS that possible without code access?Not properlyā¦ but it could be done somewhat, without code access. Itās been discussed a bit, because of course it has.
The algorithm used for BMSā flight model (RK4) is susceptible to latency. Slowing down the framerate can severely affect the flight model performance. Internet latency is much higher again, and in practice any backseater would have to be āalong for the rideā because flight controls would diverge between the front seat guy and the back seat guy.
There was a released mod, really a concept, that showed how to get the back seater āalong for the rideā though.
I forget what they called it, something about rear seat instructorā¦ basically, you park your jet on the ground, and switch views to ānearby friendlyā until you are looking at your student. Then you use the ātop gunā camera views which are fixed to their fuselage (I suppose today, we would call them āgopro viewsā). The mod was just altering the default ātop gunā views to be from inside the stock D model cockpit, looking left, left ahead, right ahead, and right.
You could then use Lightnings MFD extractor to have guages sent by the student to you, so youād have gauge and MFD data from the student, and you could see what they are seeing, from the rear seat - but no flight control. Iāll have to see if I canāt find the thread.
Edit: Found it: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?15444-Two-Seater-F-16-DJ
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By the use of a networked Helios and Helios keypress receiver in combination with mirrored shared memory from the Front seater client you could have a full function virtual cockpit for a backseater just nothing that is setup on the fly but technically possible.
HUD view can also be networked and mirrored (Hud only) no 3d world behindWith the friendly view usage of the above linked turoial by blu a nearly functional backset is achived apart of DX and axis inputs. still researching for a networked solutuion on that
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Not properlyā¦ but it could be done somewhat, without code access. Itās been discussed a bit, because of course it has.
The algorithm used for BMSā flight model (RK4) is susceptible to latency. Slowing down the framerate can severely affect the flight model performance. Internet latency is much higher again, and in practice any backseater would have to be āalong for the rideā because flight controls would diverge between the front seat guy and the back seat guy.
There was a released mod, really a concept, that showed how to get the back seater āalong for the rideā though.
I forget what they called it, something about rear seat instructorā¦ basically, you park your jet on the ground, and switch views to ānearby friendlyā until you are looking at your student. Then you use the ātop gunā camera views which are fixed to their fuselage (I suppose today, we would call them āgopro viewsā). The mod was just altering the default ātop gunā views to be from inside the stock D model cockpit, looking left, left ahead, right ahead, and right.
You could then use Lightnings MFD extractor to have guages sent by the student to you, so youād have gauge and MFD data from the student, and you could see what they are seeing, from the rear seat - but no flight control. Iāll have to see if I canāt find the thread.
Edit: Found it: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?15444-Two-Seater-F-16-DJ
Hi, Stevie,
Weāre talking about GIBās ,but letās take the discussion a step further, albeit a big step. In another thread we discussed putting stock (non-Viper) avionics in your jet of choice. COULD we , say, create Hornet avionics, without code access??? I realize, given the probable time investment required, it would be tough (?) to do every BMS jet. But, even just adding Hornet avionics to BMS would make a lot of people happy. Heck, maybe even youāll fly it.
All,
Itās time for Yours Truly to āget seriousā with tweaking the stock pits. For that I need to create hot spots. I know the config thing where I can see where the existing ones are. Iāve been working for awhile with the basic concept of matching callbacks to spatial coordinates, and can figure out switch type, sounds , etc.
The issue is, and has been, how to determine the spatial coordinates in the pits. Basically, I need the coordinates for every switch/knob in the stock pit. So, I would appreciate any tips/tricks/procedures to do that beyond pure trial and error. -
Hi, Stevie,
Weāre talking about GIBās ,but letās take the discussion a step further, albeit a big step. In another thread we discussed putting stock (non-Viper) avionics in your jet of choice. COULD we , say, create Hornet avionics, without code access??? I realize, given the probable time investment required, it would be tough (?) to do every BMS jet. But, even just adding Hornet avionics to BMS would make a lot of people happy. Heck, maybe even youāll fly it.
All,
Itās time for Yours Truly to āget seriousā with tweaking the stock pits. For that I need to create hot spots. I know the config thing where I can see where the existing ones are. Iāve been working for awhile with the basic concept of matching callbacks to spatial coordinates, and can figure out switch type, sounds , etc.
The issue is, and has been, how to determine the spatial coordinates in the pits. Basically, I need the coordinates for every switch/knob in the stock pit. So, I would appreciate any tips/tricks/procedures to do that beyond pure trial and error.thanks for your work drtbkj, see Hornet avionics in BMS would so so cool, thanks!!!
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hey, has anyone of you had issues with the Hornet HSI ? I just did a couple of Case 1 landings and noticed that when I am lined up perfectly onto the BRC, and the BRC is set to equal the HSI course, the course arrow does not align with the deviation indicator (HDI?). Those two should align up. Anyone else seen that - it was in training mission for Case 1 ? Almost seems like the TACAN signal is not on the boat, but that canāt be right or ?
Cheers,
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hey, has anyone of you had issues with the Hornet HSI ? I just did a couple of Case 1 landings and noticed that when I am lined up perfectly onto the BRC, and the BRC is set to equal the HSI course, the course arrow does not align with the deviation indicator (HDI?). Those two should align up. Anyone else seen that - it was in training mission for Case 1 ? Almost seems like the TACAN signal is not on the boat, but that canāt be right or ?
Cheers,
jbHi, Jayb,
I have noticed that. You get the TACAN working and the course arrow is pointing off the Boat. Sometimes you even get a 1 mile rangeā¦ I donāt think itās a bug, as the Viper seems to do the same. My supposition is that in close the jet is āreactingā to antenna placement on the ship? Iāll have to check that out with a pilot buddy.
Meanwhile, what I do is focus on the Indexer and the HUD āneedlesā when in TILS. -
yeah something is wonky with TACAN on the boat and the HSI. My recollection - and maybe I did not state that clearly - has been that the station pointer (the outer arrow) points pretty accurately towards the boat, but the CDI is off the CRS indicator, even when lined up. Maybe there is something off with the calculation of TACAN radials, they have to be updated continously as the boat moves. I will run some more tests and if I find a good case make a bug report.
For landing ILS needles can help, thatās for sure. But we need a good HSI for the marshalling (especially case 3) and pattern
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yeah something is wonky with TACAN on the boat and the HSI. My recollection - and maybe I did not state that clearly - has been that the station pointer (the outer arrow) points pretty accurately towards the boat, but the CDI is off the CRS indicator, even when lined up. Maybe there is something off with the calculation of TACAN radials, they have to be updated continously as the boat moves. I will run some more tests and if I find a good case make a bug report.
For landing ILS needles can help, thatās for sure. But we need a good HSI for the marshalling (especially case 3) and pattern
Thx, Jayb. When you test, Iād be curious if this is just in the Hornet, or does the Viper do it, too?
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Hereās an update for today. There is now a US Navy A7-E skin in the Mafia Files
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In another thread a question was asked about the F*-E radar. Hereās an undateā¦
Vietnam is still being worked on, but I just tested the F8-E in 'Nam. In the current setup radar is working. Iād have to talk to Brother Axe to be sure, but I have a supposition. That is, the F8, being the āLast of the Gunfightersā doesnāt have a very powerful radar. In BMS the F8E is modeled with the APQ-159 which only has 4o mile range and 2 bar scan. The RL Crusader had the APQ-84 or -94, BTW.
I the 'pit I was able to lock something at 10 miles and only when at around the same altitude. -
You made me curious a bit to experiment new matters, Bro.
Iām almost tempted to, hhmmā¦ letās see if I can spare some high quality time for that also.
Thanks a lot, and with best regards.
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You made me curious a bit to experiment new matters, Bro.
Iām almost tempted to, hhmmā¦ letās see if I can spare some high quality time for that also.
Thanks a lot, and with best regards.
Hi, Compadre,
If youāre thinking Nevada, me too. Something else for our next chat