Overhead questions
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All the diagrams and description of the overhead approach show an upwind inbound, break turn to downwind leg, and turn upwind to land. What about if your already inbound from downwind. I have been flying out of Hafar Al Batin with runway 16,34. Depending on wind, ATC will tell me either one. What pattern do I fly if I’m already flying down wind? I have just been offsetting my inbound to the side and call it my downwind leg. ATC hasn’t complained yet!
What about with a broadside inbound. I have just transfered to Ali Al Salim and its runways are 9, 27. Any diagrams available? -
@mj3437 To answer about procedure, if you inbound from downwind, it’s not a overhead break approach. Your responsibility is to enter in the landing runway axis from 5 nm at least.
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@lorikeolmin
I still request an overhead (t t t 3), correct?
What about from the side?
Thanks Lorik
(where’s the thanks button?)! -
@mj3437 upvote. Now if you’re not exactly talking procedure, but ATC implementation in BMS, it’s different. The sim probably expects you to ask for a clearance around 20-30 miles away. Then it is up to you to approach in the runway axis from at least 5 miles. You’re not supposed to come from elsewhere, and if you do, then obviously you can’t expect the code to tell you “no, please, if you want to do an overhead approach, you have to etc”. In other words, it’s a way to push it beyond its limits, for no benefit in terms of simming though.
Same from the side, it’s not supposed to happen if you’re simulating an overhead approach. Nor at 25 kft, or from underground, or flying inverted. -
I’m talking in Sim only. Would I request an unrestricted approach in those cases (at 20 -30 mi) or visual approach?
Sorry for my confusion, just trying to get it right. -
@mj3437 you request the approach you prefer and approach accordingly to your choice.
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One more related question. What is the difference between an unrestricted approach and a visual approach as requested in BMS?
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@mj3437 Visual is guided by ATC, unrestricted is at your own pace and discretion, and you are responsible of deconfliction. Unrestricted guides to simple request landing or request formation landing for a human only flight.
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@mj3437 not really up to date but there’s the idea.
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@mj3437 in RL unrestricted or „no limits“ referes to the 250 kts speedlimit below FL 100.
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@lorikeolmin said in Overhead questions:
@mj3437 Visual is guided by ATC, unrestricted is at your own pace and discretion, and you are responsible of deconfliction. Unrestricted guides to simple request landing or request formation landing for a human only flight.
It is not possible to perform formation landing with AI and a human, isn’t it?
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@freedomlike You can, every human must report break.
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@freedomlike said in Overhead questions:
@lorikeolmin said in Overhead questions:
@mj3437 Visual is guided by ATC, unrestricted is at your own pace and discretion, and you are responsible of deconfliction. Unrestricted guides to simple request landing or request formation landing for a human only flight.
It is not possible to perform formation landing with AI and a human, isn’t it?
No you can do overhead landings with AI but not formation landings
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@mav-jp @freedomlike Ah yes sorry, I was only answering for break.