BMS 4.36 Sigonella AI airplanes disappearing
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SIGONELLA airbase BMS 4.36. After the landing at the end of runway 28 Right, over the white lines all AI airplanes disappear. Help please
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Yes , I’ve seen this , not in Sigonella, but on WASP carrier , as soon on touchdown AI plane disappeared … did not go to parking spot.
Maybe some good dev soul will bring some light… why it happens - PD data points too far ?
(I edited PD points, as landing spot was too far from wires, so AI couldn’t land at all)Thanks
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Ok… I fixed Wasp. there’s that. I think my “hunch” was correct. PD’s…
now AI goes to parking spot without disappearing on runway (deck).- I’ve corrected (2nd) 1st point AFTER landing point , … moved it exactly +100 Y (feet) from landing point
- I had way larger distance before - but even 130 feet will work (seen in Wasp2) - don’t know where is the limit unfortunately …
-so , it could be similar stuff happened with Sigonella … for next update, now at least there’s a start
Cheers
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Aww… crap. Haven’t noticed that you need this for 4.36!!!.
I did all of the above in 4.37.1 - so I’m afraid , You won’t be getting any help from (BMS/theater) devs for 4.36 - old stuff.
Do you know how to work in BMS editor, @GARDINI , objectives editor specifically?
I could do repair Sigonella for you, but you will have to import into database,…
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@white_fang said in BMS 4.36 Sigonella AI airplanes disappearing:
Aww… crap. Haven’t noticed that you need this for 4.36!!!.
I did all of the above in 4.37.1 - so I’m afraid , You won’t be getting any help from (BMS/theater) devs for 4.36 - old stuff.
Do you know how to work in BMS editor, @GARDINI , objectives editor specifically?
I could do repair Sigonella for you, but you will have to import into database,…
btw, any specific reason you are not using 4.37.1 , current version?thanks for your help. I don’t use 4.37 because I have largely modified Balkans BMS4.36 for my single use and I don’t want to modify what I have modified in a long time of work every 6 months. yes I use the editor and I tried to make changes on the landing points but for now I only move the point where the planes disappear. maybe I did not understand exactly what are the points (that you say) to move
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@CriticalMass
ok no support on BMS 4.36 ( old stuff!! after few months), but it’s not normal to release a product that still has bugs abandon it and pass a new one… it’s like saying: I release this car even if the brakes don’t work because I’m making a new one that will have probably the same defect. When one takes a product normally for a few years gets assistance isn’t it? -
@white_fang please exactly let me know the number and name of the point you have moved and wich list is interested in the move.
thank you Gardini -
@GARDINI said in BMS 4.36 Sigonella AI airplanes disappearing:
@CriticalMass
ok no support on BMS 4.36 ( old stuff!! after few months), but it’s not normal to release a product that still has bugs abandon it and pass a new one… it’s like saying: I release this car even if the brakes don’t work because I’m making a new one that will have probably the same defect. When one takes a product normally for a few years gets assistance isn’t it?That’s not what I meant at all. If you’ve largely modified it then you may (or may not) have introduced an issue yourself.
As to your analogy; this is a game, not a car - very unlikely to die if the brakes fail on your Viper. Also, Falcon BMS is free, why should the devs maintain/support an old version?
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@CriticalMass
no dodifications to Sigonella. I want just realism not ghosts. -
@GARDINI said in BMS 4.36 Sigonella AI airplanes disappearing:
@CriticalMass
ok no support on BMS 4.36 ( old stuff!! after few months), but it’s not normal to release a product that still has bugs abandon it and pass a new one… it’s like saying: I release this car even if the brakes don’t work because I’m making a new one that will have probably the same defect. When one takes a product normally for a few years gets assistance isn’t it?But it’s not a “new” product it’s a continuance of the old product. 4.37 is to 4.36 what a recall is to repair those car brakes (to use your analogy).
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@lew0984
S0LVED!!! Runway list type must be Max height, Max width, Max lenght 10000.000. They were 0.000. Tomorrow i’ll check all the airbases. Solved!!! -
@GARDINI
as said before it’s not a new product and it still has old little bugs. example : no brakes but i know the viper i’m playing it from 2001.
hello Gardini -
@GARDINI
Hey Fratello Nicely done.
Yes, you’re right. Every point which I’ve seen have this 10000 in max(W/H/L) .
So … No. unfortunately my problem and yours were different… but same/similar outcome -> disappearing planes.
Carriers don’t have taxi-ways , but this mess of points is just logical “pathway” … so, lot of work, but not trouble.
Anyway, see any other base which is working then spot the difference.Sigonella is complicated base , 2 strips, crossing runway, But, you did well!!! Find the culprit.
Ciao!!!
–btw… @cougar56th , I’ve checked 4.37.1 Sigonella , same stuff what @GARDINI above said is present … I’ll try it later … might want to correct this IF broken … runway 28L/10L - runwaylisttype - have all points max(w/h/l) = 0 and not 10000 , which all other points have
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@white_fang thank you. Today i’ll check every airbases because i noted airplanes disappearing in Rivolto small parking points also. ciao
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@cougar56th
short:
Done checking Sigonella, Forli, Rivolto airbases.
For every base above, haven’t seen any AI planes disappearing… - AI simply went to parking space - in all 3 cases … I didn’t saw nothing wrong - In my test.
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In 4.37.1 , even, yes, in objective-editor, really some PointData points are missing that “10000” values in data… , whereas all other points have this vale(s) - in other airbases…
It looks that did not affect AI planes. - don’t know.
(I’m not even sure what should that value represent exactly, just spotting the diff between the two)Cheers
–btw, have one idea… you might not like it
For ArmyBases - increase heli-ports to 4 - in every type of armybase (in Balkans) you only have 2 heliports - but that’s not enough for creating 4-ship flight of heli squadron … dig me?–airports are ok, there are more heliports then needed…
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@white_fang
yes thank you
Only Sigonella was wrong in Balkans 4.36. Now all is ok. I don’t know why in Rivolto one AI plane in a TE mission disappeared in a small parking point. I’ll chek again and i let you know. ciao -
@GARDINI
If it was end of the mission, park and shutdown, then it is normal for AI to disappear after some time… 1-2 minIt is not normal, however, if they disappear still on the runway… after touchdown. - they should go to the park and then disappear
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Check fix next release
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@cougar56th Another problem: To Birgi/Trapani Italian ( big) air base.
Planes ( for example 2 F16s) don’t take off from runways 32L and 14R. To solve the problem i put the Dim Point 0 very large from 1 and the same 2 from 3. Planes now taking off but at the borders of the runway, not realistic.