The New Hornet
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Good Day, All.
Firstly, please don’t take these questions as trying to jump the gun. I know the new Hornet is just starting it’s journey. My purpose here is to get a better understanding of how to fight the jet as it is at this time.- Which keyfile, F-15 or Viper, is recommended? The Eagle, for example uses TDC press to designate a target, which is the same as the RL Hornet. With the f-16 keyfile, TMS Up still designates, although the Hornet doesn’t have TMS. My impression is we’re a little Hornet/a little Viper, which makes total sense for a WIP like this.
- How do you undesignate a target in the new Hornet? Again, atm it’s TMS down
- Here’s kind of a big one for me-Has there been some change to pinky/dx shift and/or dx shift? I’ve been having problems trying to map either to a HOTAS via the new Launcher. I get error messages and the launcher locks up. On a related point, atm the stick pinky does FOV.
- How do you get to the WPN page? I don’t see it in TAC or SUPT?
- What’s the best way to select SOI?
Speaking of the issues with Launcher keybinds, I keep getting this warning…
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1- the default (Viper) keyfile. The -F15ABCD one is only loaded when you take a seat in a F-15A,B,C, or D (and not E, sadly)
2- impression is we’re a little Hornet/a little Viper, which makes total sense for a WIP like this.
Yes.
3- Has there been some change to pinky/dx shift and/or dx shift?
No. If you zip your Config folder and share it to me… at least, the *.xml files and Auto.key files, I’ll take a look.
6- issues with Launcher keybinds, I keep getting this warning…
Sounds like you’re either bringing forward old XML files from the 32-button era… or you need to apply the workaround to avoid loading Stock xml templates from the 32-button era.
- rename your
\Falcon BMS 4.37\Launcher\Stock
subfolder … to “_Stock_backup” or something - delete (ie. move to a backup folder) any Setup*.xml files the launcher has imported, and start from scratch
I’m working on a hotfix for this… eta tomorrow evening.
- rename your
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@airtex2019 the reason why -E is not supported is the New cockpit panels and switches developed for the -C.
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Hornet isn’t a priority right now…
Please stop giving hopes to anyone before we announce anything.
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drtbkj,
Great questions! I launched off the boat but couldn’t get the hornets MFD’s to work as if it would in the viper. Do I need to revamp/update my HOTAS keys and if so will that change the HOTAS function in the viper?Sidebar:
Not to start anything…the Hornet can complete many different missions(SEAD, DEAD, TASMO, ATTACK, along with CAP,ESCORT) that other airframes can not. Plus I am bias because I use to work on the Charlie model in the late 80’s! -
Good Luck with that. Hornet A/B/C/D is kinda supported and working in BMS…
But, E/F-Bug is under development for some 15!!! years and is still not supported which is big - unknown … is there more then can’t ?
There were some attempts - still no any real results.
… and even DCS don’t have F-18E…Eg. we got nato equpped ukrainian Su-27 , which didn’t exist until last year, in matter of MONTHS … wtf… not even a full year.
Given, Janes F/A-18E sim was out in 1999 … who knows… maybe in BMS 4.38.
I hope so
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@white_fang i hope we can finally see hornet full cockpit and sustems and full operational link 16 with f-15,f-16 and f-18… in 4.38 update + the new Train engine which is awesome.
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Good Day, All,
Airtex, here you go … https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3dh9o3y6e6764/Config
Do you know the status on setting SOI(can I assume it’s still like the Viper?) and how to get to the WPN page?
My big question,HOTAS-wise, remains the Pinky/DX shift question. Can I assume it’s meant to work and we just need the hotfix you mentioned.
Tiag and White Fang , Thanks for the tip. My testing was in the E simply because that’s what I usually fly, so it seemed a good personal starting point for me. . Thinking about it, though, it’s logical. The refinements we had done for the E/F/G *came from the C *. Meanwhile, in testing yesterday we had moved the entire 18E Art folder and that seemed to cause problems. When I did my uninstall/reinstall I just but in 3dbutt.dat. That brought back the take off trim,etc., hotspots and it’s stable in 3D.
We had made a TE to test A/G functionality . I’ll be testing the C today.
UPDATE: I just did a quick test in Dogfight in the C. The TO Trim , etc., was there so the C clearly has the new 3dbutt.
Max, Please understand that the purpose of this thread is not be “giving hopes”. We know the Hornet is a WIP, and we know it’s not a main priority. Heck, that’s the reason I’m so excited about this “new jet” that the Devs have given us . My purpose in this thread is exactly as stated, to get an idea of it’s capabilities at the moment. Call it a mini Dash 1/34 -
@farazparsa said in The New Hornet:
@white_fang i hope we can finally see hornet full cockpit and sustems and full operational link 16 with f-15,f-16 and f-18… in 4.38 update + the new Train engine which is awesome.
It’s safe to say a LOT of us share that hope. And, it goes beyond the Hornet. However, patience is required. That may well be what Max was warning us about. It also takes a change of mindset in how we do things. It’s something we noticed in yesterday’s testing. It was a realization that all the stuff we’ve done was in a BMS with one avionics system and a particular database. Now we have 3 ,albeit 2 WIP, AND the .bml change.
We noticed that a lot of files and folders in the db are a lot smaller. We see that as BMS being streamlined and that suggests a bright future.
The OFM position remains the same- we are grateful for what BMS gives us, and are patient with WIP’s . We know, believe me, just how hard it is to develop this stuff. We also remain dedicated to helping all we can to making it better. -
@drtbkj said in The New Hornet:
Airtex, here you go … https://www.mediafire.com/folder/3dh9o3y6e6764/Config
I don’t see any problem with SimHotasPinkyShift, specifically – looks like it’s mapped to 3rd button on Warthog stick, which seems right.
Only immediate problem I see is the
Setup.v100.Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals {4A9717B0-7D5C-11E9-8004-444553540000}
which is one of the older DX32-slot XML files, that is causing AL to crash.Delete that file … then rename the “Stock” subfolder (
..\Falcon BMS 4.37\Launcher\Stock
) to something like “Stock_backup” so AL won’t just recreate the file again.HTH … feel free to DM me if still experiencing probs
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@airtex2019 Great job. Rudder pedals, huh? I would never have thought of that! Unfortunately , the problem persists. There were 2 other rudder entries. I took them out one a a time and AL still crashed.
I noticed there are a lot of other entries for Saitek and such. Should I take them out , too? Also, Max had posted above entries for the Warthog. I’ll try putting them in. I had them in previously, put didn’t do it in the reinstall
IUpdate: I added the entries from Max(above) Now AL won’t launch at all -
Update: Thanks to Airtex my HOTAS is 99% up, and I’m flying.
So, the remaining questions atm are-Is SOI selection modeled in the new Hornet?
-How do you get to the WPN page? -
It seems it is bugged a bit. eh, new feature
I’ve manged to get WPN by forcing it in DTC , loaded AGM-65E and it says - NO WEAPON.
From Hornet logic , it should be accessible via STORES (SMS) but no…
So… you could report it
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@white_fang said in The New Hornet:
It seems it is bugged a bit. eh, new feature
I’ve manged to get WPN by forcing it in DTC , loaded AGM-65E and it says - NO WEAPON.
From Hornet logic , it should be accessible via STORES (SMS) but no…
So… you could report it
Hi, 'Fang, have you figured out SOI?
We’ve only begun to explore a BMS with different avionics systems. It’s going to be fun and interesting as we move forward. One question I have is how/if the Av’s interrelate. For, example, SOI. I’ve only begun my exploration of the new F-15 manuals and specifically it’s HOTAS. But, it seems that the Eagle Castle switch does SOI selection. And, note that they call it TDC control.
.SimF15CastleUp
SimF15CastleDown
SimF15CastleLeft
SimF15CastleRight .
PP 28-30 and 50-52 of the new F-15 Dash-1 have good HOTAS data. The question is whether that can be used in the Hornet. That Castle switch TDC control sounds very close to the Hornet’s Sensor Control Switch. So, what would happen if the Castle switch call backs got added to BMS-Auto keyfile?
Right now DMS left and right works in 3D. But, the RL Hornet doesn’t have DMS L/R, so it’s off my HOTAS.
The WPN page issue may simply be a case that this is a WIP . It’s a matter of evolution not revolution, just like the Eagle was in U2.
But’s that one purpose of this thread. Let’s see what the jet can do now . Even from my brief time in the air I can tell the new Hornet AV’s work pretty darn well air-to-air. Air to ground may take some workarounds, and some of our ordinance simply may not be usable for now. Like Mav’s/SLAM/etc. However, for example, HARM could be used if HTS is added.
So, the second goal of this thread is to see what we can do in the meantime to make it better while the BMS Devs work their magic. -
I’m not sure I understand fully, what’s with SOI ?
SOI moves on DMS down, eg left MFD radar , right MFD tgp., DMS down to switch between.
p.s. Aaah, okey, got it now…
- No , I haven’t even tried playing with avionics (TDC) … since 4.37.3 there is going to be different avionics for “mainstream” planes , so expect …mmm… TDC around Christmas … … as , sure there’s gonna be helluva lot’s of bughunting
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@drtbkj Castle != TDC.
Castle is for display management. TDC means Target Designator Control which controls the cursor and has a press function.
You cant use them in other planes. Only works with F-15C-like planes i.e. there is no way to add F-15 avionics to any other plane. The reason is very simple: Many avionics depends on the states of specific panels and these panels only exist in the Eagle. -
@tiag said in The New Hornet:
@drtbkj Castle != TDC.
Castle is for display management. TDC means Target Designator Control which controls the cursor and has a press function.
You cant use them in other planes. Only works with F-15C-like planes i.e. there is no way to add F-15 avionics to any other plane. The reason is very simple: Many avionics depends on the states of specific panels and these panels only exist in the Eagle.Right, Castle for display management, which is what DMS does in the AUTO keyfile the Hornet uses . DMS L/R still work in the jet, just not DMS down . Or. I should say it doesn’t seem to . There is no diamond in the upper corner of the MFD( as in RL), or the outline like in the Viper.
That leaves us with an issue. SOI selection. Let’s say you have the radar on one MFD and FLIR on the other. How do you switch SOI?
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@drtbkj the castle comes from the Strike Eagle and was installed on the -C when the weapons panel was replaced by the MPFD.
However, the castle does not work the same as in the Strike Eagle. Depending on other avionics like radar type(APG-63 ,APG-63(V) or APG-70) it has different functionality. The castle works correctly inthe F-15C, compatible with our pit. Please read the manual for more detailed info. -
Good Day, All. As the purpose of this thread is not to report bugs, but show workarounds, so let’s share those.
- ramp start.
a) Go to the Config tab on the Launcher page and uncheck no DTC at ramp
b) Press the FLCS reset, and clear the Master Caution. and PFL. That seems to remove FLCS faults. To get to the FLCS and Test pages, see Display Management below.An actual FLCS Bit test has not been tested.
c) With the stock F-18C 3dbutton.dat, you have takeoff trim. Manual flaps in the 18C have not been tested. In the 18E, with the 4.37.2 F-18E.dat and afm installed, you do get manual flaps,etc.
d) In the C you don’t seem to have radar alt, no matter what the UFC ALT button is set to. In the 18E, you have radar alt but it gets stuck at 190ft. . If you set ALT to the middle position you do get a working Baro.Alt.
2)Display Management and SOI.
It seems SOI can be set. It seems the the current new Hornet MFD’s don’t display when it’s SOI. The workaround seems to be keep keep DMS left/right mapped. If you set TGP, for example, into your DTC you can cycle to it, and DMS down visible works on it, as before.
However, Disp.Man. is still a challenge, in terms of consistently getting to some pages. I’ll be afk for a few days, and that will be a priority when I get back.
I was also able to set up HTS, get to it’s MFD page, and designate a target. - Weapon Release-
This will be another priority. A/A missiles, JSOW , GBU-53 (on the 18E only), HARM, and Mk82’s were tested. The missiles and 82’s worked normally. The others won’t release. The new Stores page shows Ready under the weapon’s icon, but I wonder if the weapon is indeed being powered up. There is no Power USB. There also does not seem to be a “hung wpn” indication.
- ramp start.
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Good Day. All. Testing will now re-commence.:)
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