Upgrading to nvidia 4070ti
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Hi. I have a 7 year old pc with intel i7. I also have a nvidia 1080. If I upgrade to a nvidia 4070ti, will I see any performance improvement at 4K or lower resolution. Falcon bms.
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@m1tp2king Intel i7 what? Makes a big difference.
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@Icarus intel i7 6700
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@m1tp2king The extra memory might help with higher res a bit, but you will have a fair bit of cpu bottlenecking. That cpu won’t be able to feed that gpu fast enough what it wants. 2080ti might be better fit, especially if that cpu is overclocked. That combo you are looking at, 1080p on ultra settings would have about 32. 6% cpu bottleneck on average says Cpu Agent. 4K could be worse.
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Have an MSI 4070ti 3X OC with i7-13700K but am only running at 1440p.
Concern would be the mainboard as the card is PCIe4. An older main board for 6700 must be PCIe3 only so it would be bottlenecked there.
But how relevant that would be would need to be determined. Also can depend what else you have on the system using PCI Lanes so worth checking.
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@m1tp2king what FPS are you hoping for, at 4k?
my 3060 Ti does well for single-monitor 4k at 60hz … overall GPU utilization (at max freq) is about 40%
on paper, it’s only about 33% faster than your 1080 so … not sure you would gain much with the upgrade.
1080 is a “Maxwell” generation part, which should support HAGS (hardware-assisted graphics scheduler) in Win10 … and you do almost certainly want to make use of that, with older CPU.
your older CPU/BIOS chipset likely won’t support Resizable-BAR … which became a thing in the Nvidia 30-series iirc. but I don’t think that matters for BMS.
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to get a sense of whether/how CPU-bound you are … turn on the FPS metrics in game… (hit [alt+C] then [F])
the key metrics to focus on are the “Draw” and “Exec” timings… if these stay well below 16ms, you should be able to achieve consistent 60 fps without being CPU-bottlenecked
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a 4070 Ti is about US$750
I would maybe disassemble and clean my 1080… reapply fresh thermal-paste, if it’s been more than 5 years – be very certain that it’s a part in need of replacement.
for about half that price, you could keep the 1080 and replace everything else … CPU, RAM, mobo and SSD
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xPXyqm
[Edit: I don’t actually own any of those parts, so not an endorsement… but… now I’m asking myself, why not? tis the season for PC upgrades! lol]
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I think if your gonna pay 800$ for 4070ti, I’d just buy a 4080 which will last you lot longer. Microcenter has some very nice open box deals.
My local Microcenter just sold a open box 4080 around 900$
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also remember to check your power-supply … wattage and connectors.
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I need to upgrade soon. Thanks for the info.
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@Iron-Cross
You should go for 4070 TI Super, which is available in 2 weeks. -
The 4070ti is a very nice card. About a month ago I replaced my pc and installed a 4070ti in the new pc. Performance in F$ is really good (with triple monitor setup 7680x1440 pixels).
Your present cpu may not have the power to fully load the 4070ti. But you are probably not buying an expensive videocard for just one year. It will perform well and if in the future you buy a new motherboard/cpu it will even perform better. Only if you are certain you wont be replacing the motherboard/cpu in the next couple of years, it will be overkill and a less expensive videocard will do as well.
If you go for the 4070ti, just wait a few weeks. A new version (4070ti super) was introduced earlier this week. It will be available end of the moment. That might mean that the present 4070ti may see some price drops or special promotions at stores with too much in inventory.
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For flight sims and in general for performance from VGA I as always suggest a higher memory bit bus.
Some are tired of me saying this.
This is a crucial factor specially when the going gets tough and you are concerned about your low fps.
Vertical resolution is also a bigger killer for vga’s as their logic is for the wide and the 1080 regime.
Now for old to new PCIexpress thing… I’m Also on an old i7 2600K and a PCIE-2 CPU-mobo with a PCIE-3 vga (1080Ti).
Don’t know about the bottleneck there, I always thought it would be an issue but seems not the case.
I drive 3 monitors on 5760x1200 and things are ok.
BUT it’s a 352bit bus monster.
Now the 4070Ti logically should give you always more than double fps compared to a 1080 (nonTi) by just comparing GPU. Now with the CPU you might expect a 30% bottleneck so it goes about 60% or more gain compared to 1080.
Personally I would go as my dad Archer suggest for the 4080. 4070Ti is 192bit and 12GB while 4080 is 256bit and 16gb. Now the price difference is super ouch…
If your VGA is 1080Ti you might sit on your eggs and see how it goes and ease up the load on the CPU and if it’s a 6700K maybe consider overclocking. Also 4K why? have you considered triples? cheaper to buy for 60hz monitors even used and u have a wide fov. those 24" 1920x1200 u can find them used for less than 100€. But that’s me and the triple guys thing… -
@Arty
This is no longer valid. The 4070 TI Super which will be released soon has 16 GB and 256 bit for the same price as the old one. For me it would make this card more interesting as the new 4080. -
@jojo7401 well OP talks about 4070 Ti AND NOT for 4070Ti Super.
Those are two different cards.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4070-family/#specsAlso if new 4080super will cause old 4080 to a reduced price I would go for the old 4080.
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@m1tp2king said in Upgrading to nvidia 4070ti:
Hi. I have a 7 year old pc with intel i7. I also have a nvidia 1080. If I upgrade to a nvidia 4070ti, will I see any performance improvement at 4K or lower resolution. Falcon bms.
The power requirements for 4070ti are quite higher than the Nvidia 1080 – what are your current power supply specs? Also, 4070ti may not be able to take advantage of latest tech if it is mounted in a very old motherboard - you might consider checking the specs of your motherboard as well, along with the specs for this GFX card. What motherboard to you have now?
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Hi,
A few points: PCIE 3.0 vs. 4.0 makes about 5% difference (at most) in real-world. Running a PCIE 4.0 card in a PCIE 3.0 slot basically doesn’t matter.
4070 Ti Super vs. 1080 Ti will yield approx. double performance, all things being equal.
You will be CPU limited.
I have an i7 9700K and 1080. I’m seriously considering the 4070 Ti Super as it has 16 Gb VRAM and 256-bit bus, same as 4080.
1080 is still an amazing card, and it runs Falcon at 4K maxed without any issue. Now seems a good time for an upgrade.