Jammer questions [Can't lock a jamming aircraft until 10 NM]
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Oof! Someone doesn’t like The Small Faces?!
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@Mav-jp Hello! Is it normal I can’t burnthrough any enemy jammer until I reach 10 NM? No matter the radar mode? Even if my own ECM is off (so no degradation) Head on configuration, same altitude.
We do realize the effect decreases with their change in aspect and attitude due to the jamming cones but it looks like the center spots from both rear and front are VERY performant to jam us, no matter the age of the ennemy pod used.
Do the AI have the same constraint than us on that regard?
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@Mikyjax said in Jammer questions [Can't lock a jamming aircraft until 10 NM]:
@Mav-jp Hello! Is it normal I can’t burnthrough any enemy jammer until I reach 10 NM? No matter the radar mode? Even if my own ECM is off (so no degradation) Head on configuration, same altitude.
We do realize the effect decreases with their change in aspect and attitude due to the jamming cones but it looks like the center spots from both rear and front are VERY performant to jam us, no matter the age of the ennemy pod used.
Do the AI have the same constraint than us on that regard?
Thank you.They have the same constraints
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Hi, But clearly it’s a bug ??
Because burn through an ECM at only 9-10 miles with own off seems here very very close.
Eric.
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Bonjour @Mav-jp
There are probably good reasons for all this, and the balance must obviously not be easy to find.
But, in fact, you deliver a new air-to-air weapon system with each version or update, and what has just been found means that we can no longer trust, in addition to our feeling that it has changed, the assertion that nothing has changed (F3 or ECM).
Worse still, no information on the changes.
It’s not as much fun as all that, for the “lambda” pilot, each update, to go through 20 to 30 hours of testing with his friends to find out what hasn’t changed but has.
It would be a pity to disgust us. And given what I’m expecting to hear from the back of the class, that’s starting to sound like a lot.
Realism OK, but gameplay a bit too please: it’s “also” a game, and changing rules without information is tiresome.
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@Rouge1512 said in Jammer questions [Can't lock a jamming aircraft until 10 NM]:
Bonjour @Mav-jp
There are probably good reasons for all this, and the balance must obviously not be easy to find.
But, in fact, you deliver a new air-to-air weapon system with each version or update, and what has just been found means that we can no longer trust, in addition to our feeling that it has changed, the assertion that nothing has changed (F3 or ECM).
Worse still, no information on the changes.
It’s not as much fun as all that, for the “lambda” pilot, each update, to go through 20 to 30 hours of testing with his friends to find out what hasn’t changed but has.
It would be a pity to disgust us. And given what I’m expecting to hear from the back of the class, that’s starting to sound like a lot.
Realism OK, but gameplay a bit too please: it’s “also” a game, and changing rules without information is tiresome.
This is simple:
The ECM power vs Radar has not changed at all in theory.
Unless you have your own ECM active on the same band where your FCR power is reduced.Considering this , if with your own ECM off, your ability to break opponent ECM in the same conditiosn is less than any other previous version, then this is a bug and is not deliberate.
We never changed rules without information, the information of FCR power reduction with your own ECM in the front antenna has been published at first release of the ECM system modification.
EDIT : there is ECM power limitation with number of programs, i realized this was indeed undocumented (actually i thought it was not even in). So we will document it ASAP. however this is unrelated with the topic of breaking AI ECM
As usual an despite your very unpleasant tone , we will look deeper into it to find the issue asap, if issue there is
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@Mav-jp Hello! Thanks for looking into this. I have no idea about previous version as I don’t remember, I just discovered it in this version.
The question is not related to previous version to me, it’s just:Is it normal for you that I can’t lock a jamming contact until 10 NM when I am in this precise configuration :
- Head-on
- Same altitute
- I have no Jammer
- Contact is in XMT 3 Pgm 4 Music on
- Tested in PVP as I can’t guarantee those parameters VS AI
If you’re answer is yes, don’t waste your time but please tell me, so we can adapt our tactics
If it’s no, then there is a bug because I tested this a lot of time and it’s 100%.Thanks again for your time
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@Mikyjax said in Jammer questions [Can't lock a jamming aircraft until 10 NM]:
@Mav-jp Hello! Thanks for looking into this. I have no idea about previous version as I don’t remember, I just discovered it in this version.
The question is not related to previous version to me, it’s just:Is it normal for you that I can’t lock a jamming contact until 10 NM when I am in this precise configuration :
- Head-on
- Same altitute
- I have no Jammer
- Contact is in XMT 3 Pgm 4 Music on
- Tested in PVP as I can’t guarantee those parameters VS AI
If you’re answer is yes, don’t waste your time but please tell me, so we can adapt our tactics
If it’s no, then there is a bug because I tested this a lot of time and it’s 100%.Thanks again for your time
i dont know what "normal " means
but in this configuration, there should be no change compare with previous Falcon BMS iterations .
If we dont get a similar result, then i will consider it “not normal”. This is what i will check
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So thank you very much and my apologies.
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@Mikyjax said in Jammer questions [Can't lock a jamming aircraft until 10 NM]:
@Mav-jp Hello! Thanks for looking into this. I have no idea about previous version as I don’t remember, I just discovered it in this version.
The question is not related to previous version to me, it’s just:Is it normal for you that I can’t lock a jamming contact until 10 NM when I am in this precise configuration :
- Head-on
- Same altitute
- I have no Jammer
- Contact is in XMT 3 Pgm 4 Music on
- Tested in PVP as I can’t guarantee those parameters VS AI
If you’re answer is yes, don’t waste your time but please tell me, so we can adapt our tactics
If it’s no, then there is a bug because I tested this a lot of time and it’s 100%.Thanks again for your time
are you testing in DGF Module or TE ?
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@Mav-jp TE just to be sure
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@Mikyjax said in Jammer questions [Can't lock a jamming aircraft until 10 NM]:
@Mav-jp TE just to be sure
have you tested in DGF module ?
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@Mav-jp No, I thought that would have been Irrelevant.
I can later today if that helps. -
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@ericfa2a said in Jammer questions [Can't lock a jamming aircraft until 10 NM]:
Yes for me.
vs f16 Block 50 same résults.
9-10 nm ecm off vs ecm on.
Thank you.
what do you mean ? you tested in DGF Module ? and same results than in TE ?
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@ericfa2a said in Jammer questions [Can't lock a jamming aircraft until 10 NM]:
@Mav-jp Yes in Dogfight module Korea. And so same result than @Mikyjax in TE.
okay understodd
Has someone a 4.36 installed somwhere ?
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@Mav-jp Can you confirm there is or isn’t a limitation on ECM power based on the number of ACTIVE or TRANSMITTING programs implemented in the current version? I believe Micro said recently that it’s not implemented.