Kneeboard options?
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@rubbra - shouldn’t matter…a kneeboard is a kneeboard.
But I do get the point…which is why I don’t do VR…or AR…
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There is VRK which @fredemmott says was a inspiration for OpenKneeboard but it isn’t being developed anymore the last I heard. I stopped using it when I stopped flying DCS a few years ago and even then Rider had stopped working on it.
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@Stevie I know what you mean, but it’s a little hard to look at your iPad when you can’t see it
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@rubbra - yeah…and that’s what I meant!
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@Stevie
Well, OpenKneeboard has a zoom function and you can alter the default size, orientation, and spacing of your kneeboards so in a way, it’s got a bit of a leg up over the iPad. I guess the biggest advantage is being able to use it in VR and based on pictures of the 2D version, the VR implementation looks better.@Snake122
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I use the in game keyboards in VR for the flight details using WDP then use Open Kneeboard for any reference items I may need in flight.
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@Atlas - not really…I can zoom and rotate on an iPad…and with the newer iPads I can even write on them if I want…so, advantage iPad.
Since I’m building a cockpit, this is my best choice, next to paper.
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@Stevie
Sorry for not being clear. The zoom function on OpenKneeboard essentially enlarges the kneeboards. Like double or triple the size. The entire page is still visible since the page is now giant-sized. Very useful for making out taxiway letters or parking stall numbers.If the kneeboards are not spaced out far enough, they can overlap.
@wazza69 said in Kneeboard options?:
I use the in game keyboards in VR for the flight details using WDP then use Open Kneeboard for any reference items I may need in flight.
in-game keyboards??
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@Atlas - no, I understood what you meant. But since I can only look at one plate at a time on my iPad, there is/can be no overlap when I zoom, nor do I care to look at anything other than what I zoomed-in to. So I don’t have to worry about any “spacing” problems.
The key is to arrange them like you’d want to use them - I arrange them in my Albums like I would with a real checklist or set of NAV plates, top level to detail - all I need do to bring one up is point and tap. I never need or want to look at more than one at a time.
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in-game keyboards??
If you enable pilot model, you have kneeboards in the legs that can be cycled - basically what WDP spits out (if you use it).
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@S3NTRY said in Kneeboard options?:
in-game keyboards??
If you enable pilot model, you have kneeboards in the legs that can be cycled - basically what WDP spits out (if you use it).
Yes, sorry I meant the default pilot model kneeboards which work great in VR. Sometimes I just wanted more than the 16 pages per knee so use Open Kneeboard. I also bought a cheap drawing tablet to take hand written notes but ended up just using physical notes and ‘peaking’ out the gap gap under the goggles.
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@S3NTRY He said keyboards, I guess he meant kneeboards! I was using a Reverb G2 before and that kneeboard is not readable. I’ve always flown without the pilot model anyway. Odd that I find the pilot model weird but floating kneeboards is okay
@Stevie I guess I prefer the kneeboard picture being bigger rather than having to move my head to get closer to the kneeboard. Having 2 kneeboards displayed at the same time is also one thing that I like. I can have mission info on the left kneeboard and then have maybe some charts on the right kneeboard.
All a matter of preference, I guess.
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@wazza69 yep, curious about that tablet implementation, I may try that out sometime.
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@Atlas said in Kneeboard options?:
@S3NTRY He said keyboards, I guess he meant kneeboards!
Oh yeah, looks like a typo turned into something bigger. Given the topic at-hand, I read it as “kneeboards”, given the context.
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@Atlas Yes. It’s a matter of being able to use the kneeboard as I would in a RL airplane…I’m a Private Pilot, and an Aeronautical Engineer. So I have RL habits to maintain.
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@Atlas - if you do have a look at used. I got a suitable Wacom one for NZ $25 (about $15USD)
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is it possible to put on the radio menu on the kneeboard? It would be more realistic if we can see nothing else floating in the view only HMCS. no subtitle no radio menu . When we want to see the radio callback we would see on the kneeboard.
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Has anyone got an automated flow for WDP? Ezboards is good but minimal. I have my own little program which converts briefing.html into a pdf but that is (obvs) just the briefing and could do more.
I hate having to alt-tab out, click things, keep VR alive whilst doing all of that, etc etc. when just track IR, it was fine!
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@rubbra I have a semi-automated setup with Voice Attack.
I call “system generate package <package id>” from within BMS, and that starts WDP, and kneeboard extractor (a small python app i wrote, available on github).
Within WDP it auto-selects the package ID, and I just have to select the package once expanded; “update” in WDP, and the KE script generates fresh kneeboards that are available to open kneeboard.
Once done, I call “system finalise package setup”, and VA closes WDP and the background KE script; takes me back to BMS.
Works pretty well, and saves a bit of clicking, but not fully automated.
I do all my mission prep in 2D, and restart BMS in VR when I’m all good to go, which I could see would be too much of a bother for some, but I don’t mind.
This all takes a bit to get setup in the first place too, but it has saved me a lot of repetitive action.
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@S3NTRY why do you restart BMS for VR? The 2D map is available outside of VR when running with VR option.