Saitek X65F & BMS Alternative Launcher
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@PRNDL
Let’s sort out the easy flaws first…Make sure you use the alternative (new) launcher only.
The ingame setup will soon be outdated.
Then make sure, in the alternative launcher, that the box “Launch without setup override” is unchecked.I find it strange that you had to setup the controller in the device manager first. Isn’t there an installation software from Saitek?
I had a Saitek X-55 and have now a Logitech X-56, and both were recognized (and remembered) correctly -
Thanks for the response.
There’s tons of issues from when I tried this a few years ago.X65F predates the others and its difficult to find working drivers and software, which is why I mentioned the version numbers, and using the control panels to check.
I had some old drivers that the PC loaded. Deleting them solved that issue.
Alternative Loader is definitely the way to go, and I just figure out that you don’t need to run SST.
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@PRNDL all joysticks are HID devices … just like mouse and keyboard … you plug them into USB and they should “just work”
only need special software from vendor, if you’re trying to configure something special like multi-profiles … or force-feedback/vibration settings … or apply a firmware update or something
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@airtex2019
I’m not able to get anything working with Alternative Launcher
The in-game Setup works, but has issues.Are the key mappings supposed to be manually entered in Alternative Launcher?
BMS Basic DX X65F is shown at the top left, but there are no key bindings under X65F listed on the right.
Pressing buttons on the X65F shows “DX#: X65F” on the bottom, but no key binding is selected.
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Use Import key file, ignore the warning, and load the X65F key file?
(other than the warning, that makes sense)Thanks!!
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some good video walkthroughs
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@airtex2019
I’ve got the X65F working by assigning the buttons manually in alternative launcher.
Also deleted the Saitek driver so that the PC uses the generic HID driver.
The joystick on the throttle stopped working, and I’m not sure what to bind it to.The current problem is nothing shows up on RWS in Instant Action.
Then a contact appears nearby out of nowhere.
A long TMS up press makes two solid blue lines on the MFD, but doesn’t select a target.
Possibly because they have to be between those lines?
By the time I switch to dogfight, it’s too late.This might be a learning issue.
Thanks for the tutorial!Also, I’m considering getting a VKB NXT EVO joystick, and using it with the X65F throttle.
The X65F joystick is really hard to use.
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@PRNDL I have been using VKB NXT for over 2.5 years without any problems. Accurate, functional and worth every dollar spent on it. This is literally the most cost-effective option on the market.
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@Foxtrot701 Interesting about the VKB NXT…never heard of it nor the brand. Does the throttle have something that functions as the finger lift(s)? TIA!
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General note on X65F setup. I use the SST v7.0.53 driver and software, and I followed the directions during setup, only plugging the throttle in when the U/I indicated. Once you do that, it takes the Saitek setup FOREVER for the system to “see” the hardware, but it will eventually allow you to progress with the “NEXT” button. I mean it took many minutes…don’t know how long because I let it sit while I was doing email, etc. Everything then worked flawlessly with A/L.
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@dawgboy NXT is a stick, not a throttle, but VKB released the STECS throttle about six month ago. While there are “finger lifts”, they are more like triggers, with one trigger on each side of each grip.
Without many words:
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@Foxtrot701
Is this what you use?Gladiator NXT EVO ‘Space Combat Edition’ - Right Hand Premium.
https://www.vkbcontrollers.com/products/gladiator-nxt-evo-space-combat-edition-right-hand?variant=39887803613302Does it work well with other PC flight sims?
(reviews are very positive)Many thanks!
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@PRNDL Yes, it is. The EVO is an improved version of the old NXT, which is no longer in production (but can be upgraded, which is why i love the VKB). I use NXT in DCS, IL-2 and BMS and it works well.
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@Foxtrot701
Yet another question.
VKB SIM Gladiator MKII?It’s a WW2 style joystick. Discontinued. Reviews are very positive, especially for the precision.
Wondering if this is a must-get stick at less than half the price of the EVO.
Thanks again!
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@PRNDL no for BMS you really want the 4 hats + analog ministick… FCR, TMS, DMS, CMS, trim, and comms.
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@Foxtrot701 said in Saitek X65F & BMS Alternative Launcher:
@dawgboy NXT is a stick, not a throttle, but VKB released the STECS throttle about six month ago. While there are “finger lifts”, they are more like triggers, with one trigger on each side of each grip.
Without many words:
Roger…thanks. In my haste, I went to look at both the NXT and STECS, and I should’ve specified STECS. Since then, I’ve poked around enough over the next few hours to see it has something that can function as finger lifts.
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I’m getting some odd behavior…
The throttle works properly in the AL Axis page, but is not working when the game starts.
Moving it makes it work for a little while, then it forgets it.
Also, it seems to jump from slow to afterburner… 400 max speed, then turn and go 200?I’m using the generic HID device driver.
Nothing works in the game controller settings, so there’s no way to adjust the sensitivity.I’m wondering if it’s better to install the Saitek driver.
(without opening SST)I also tried Falcon 4, but none of the buttons worked.
That may need SST to work.
Instant action was really fun… point and shoot!
BMS might be too realistic… 6 on 1 means 10+ missiles coming at you!Does RS Mapper make any sense?
Thanks!
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@PRNDL if you suspect you have a borken calibration, you can delete that in the registry … I think your X65F key will be
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_06A3&PID_0B6A
you can delete that reg key, then run “Joy.cpl” to run though the calibration process, from scratch
if that doesn’t work… have to consider maybe faulty hardware
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@airtex2019
Turns out I’ve got Hid Hide and Joystick gremlin installed.
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@PRNDL maybe? no idea
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@airtex2019
Joy.cpl works and calibrates, but nothing happens when moving the throttle or joystick or buttons.Everything works in the game (except the throttle joystick, perhaps because there’s a USB mouse)
The throttle is set a zero (if you look at it) and moving it fixes it, for a little while.
Then it sets to zero again (after a few seconds).The generic HID driver is up to date (2006).
Windows updated itself, which historically causes driver issues.I just plugged in a powered USB3 hub, but the initial throttle at zero remains.
Keep getting shot down fast in instant action.Is there a training mission that starts in the air, with only one enemy to deal with?
Preferably a really bad enemy!
Any ideas?
Thanks again!